What to do with the FWD classes
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What to do with the FWD classes
... seems to be the $64,000 question. (actually thats about the drivetrain budget for one year of competition in Hot Rod) All kidding aside, There looks to be several issues with the class that will be addressed, and it is up to the racers to help the sanctioning bodies try to reach the best compromises for each. Examples of the issues include(but are not limited to) -
1) Safety
- 180 mph unibodies, causing new roll cage rules to be enforced and exascerbating the pre-existing borderline stability on top end/shutdown
2) Competition
- Too many breakages (mainly in Hot Rod)causing bye runs and uneven races for the fans.
- "Professional Image" - Pro FWD is barely running 1/2 sec quicker than Hot Rod, and the fields are never full, and the competition is not as close.
3) Cost
- Too expensive (in many peoples opinions) to run Hot Rod, Honda transmissions will soon be a rare commodity. Custom transmissions have been discussed that will raise the price for this class. Engines are being pushed to the point of near constant failures, Privateers are being pushed out of competition.
There has been discussions regarding limitations for Hot Rod class, which would address some of these concerns. But perhaps limiting the turbo size is not the "best"- or only option. My idea is to limit the tire size, take a minute to think about how this would affect these issues. For an example we will say 26"X10" as a limit.
Safety - The trap speeds will come down right away, without racers having to make changes to their motor program(turbo sizing)
Competition - Less hook will result in far less breakages, trannies and axles will be happy, cars will make it down the track, fans will see close racing, racers will be forced to use their heads and figure out the track conditions instead of how much money it is going to cost them to make 200 more whp. The desire to go quicker may cause some of the big sponsor Hot Rod teams to go to Pro FWD, which will help fill up that class,making import racing more professional in apperance.
Cost - Again the lack of constant transmission failures will bring the cost down, and the engines will not need to be pushed quite as hard.
A possible side benefit to this idea is that the cars may be able to race in the "other" sanctioning bodies, one of which (IDRC) sounds like is going to shake up its rules as well.
This is just to get a discussion going,I'm not trying to spew hate or step on anyones toes. Just another opinion from a dude who, like yourselves, took a perfectly good car, stripped a bunch of junk off of it and applied boost. All responses are welcome.
Kevin
1) Safety
- 180 mph unibodies, causing new roll cage rules to be enforced and exascerbating the pre-existing borderline stability on top end/shutdown
2) Competition
- Too many breakages (mainly in Hot Rod)causing bye runs and uneven races for the fans.
- "Professional Image" - Pro FWD is barely running 1/2 sec quicker than Hot Rod, and the fields are never full, and the competition is not as close.
3) Cost
- Too expensive (in many peoples opinions) to run Hot Rod, Honda transmissions will soon be a rare commodity. Custom transmissions have been discussed that will raise the price for this class. Engines are being pushed to the point of near constant failures, Privateers are being pushed out of competition.
There has been discussions regarding limitations for Hot Rod class, which would address some of these concerns. But perhaps limiting the turbo size is not the "best"- or only option. My idea is to limit the tire size, take a minute to think about how this would affect these issues. For an example we will say 26"X10" as a limit.
Safety - The trap speeds will come down right away, without racers having to make changes to their motor program(turbo sizing)
Competition - Less hook will result in far less breakages, trannies and axles will be happy, cars will make it down the track, fans will see close racing, racers will be forced to use their heads and figure out the track conditions instead of how much money it is going to cost them to make 200 more whp. The desire to go quicker may cause some of the big sponsor Hot Rod teams to go to Pro FWD, which will help fill up that class,making import racing more professional in apperance.
Cost - Again the lack of constant transmission failures will bring the cost down, and the engines will not need to be pushed quite as hard.
A possible side benefit to this idea is that the cars may be able to race in the "other" sanctioning bodies, one of which (IDRC) sounds like is going to shake up its rules as well.
This is just to get a discussion going,I'm not trying to spew hate or step on anyones toes. Just another opinion from a dude who, like yourselves, took a perfectly good car, stripped a bunch of junk off of it and applied boost. All responses are welcome.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (lugnuts)
I think the hot rod class is just fine were it's at. I think pro has to raise the bar since they have all the resources to fab a chasis to what they think would be best. They are the ones that really need to use their heads to set themselves apart from the hot rod class. As for limiting tire sizes I don't see how that is safer. If tires are breaking loose on the top end that is more likely to send you into a wall. As for the cost of drivetrain parts.. gotta pay to play. I would personally like to see all the sactioning bodies allow a aftermarket tranny in the hot rod class. Heck I would even like to see it allowed in sportfwd too. Now if nhra wants to slow hotrod down I would say do it by increasing the min. wieghts.. and I can't say that I am for that at all. My 2 pennys
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (lugnuts)
unfortunatly lines have to be drawn......my opinion is stock case no external modifications. straight cut, dog engagement OK. retain H pattern.....26" tire rule is ok......people will find away to make 26" tires to stick, it is too easy to just go get 28's, seems this is the problem where trannies break.....
Look at all the rules for Top Fuel, etc.
Twin disc ok....no carbon, carbon clutches.
Look at all the rules for Top Fuel, etc.
Twin disc ok....no carbon, carbon clutches.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (lugnuts)
Interesting. The tire size limitation would certainly help on parts breakage and limit the drivetrain $$$ advantage for big spending teams. More importantly, it would still allow plenty of freedom in engine design/development.
However, the trap speeds will come back up sooner or later, so roll cage improvements may still be needed.
On the issue of top end stability, why not just mandate a 4" high, 45 degree rear spoiler on all the cars? It will slow down traps a bit, but more importantly it will provide a couple hundred lbs of downforce at high speeds.
C_A_T
However, the trap speeds will come back up sooner or later, so roll cage improvements may still be needed.
On the issue of top end stability, why not just mandate a 4" high, 45 degree rear spoiler on all the cars? It will slow down traps a bit, but more importantly it will provide a couple hundred lbs of downforce at high speeds.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (1fstcorrado)
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Twin disc ok....no carbon, carbon clutches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why no carbon carbon??
Twin disc ok....no carbon, carbon clutches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why no carbon carbon??
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (1fstcorrado)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1fstcorrado »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">unfortunatly lines have to be drawn......my opinion is stock case no external modifications. straight cut, dog engagement OK. retain H pattern.....26" tire rule is ok......people will find away to make 26" tires to stick, it is too easy to just go get 28's, seems this is the problem where trannies break.....
Look at all the rules for Top Fuel, etc.
Twin disc ok....no carbon, carbon clutches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
as much as i dont want a limit to slick size... i think a fair size to limit it to for the class would be a 26" slick... anything other than that and it will in the end turn out to be unsafe... who can say spinning some 24.5"s the top of 4th is really safe...
i would like to see aftermarket trannie's allowed eventually but for now i think a stock casing should be a requirement... with no limit on internals... period... if u have the money for a custom dog-box inside a stock casing... so be it... i hate when people say not to do one thing because of the price... racing is a money sport... if u dont have it... then maybe racing isnt for u (at least on the professional level which is the next thing i would like to say....
the sport fwd class is quickly becoming the hot-rod class of yester-years... low 10's, high 9's, full chassis', i mean other than a couple things fro years ago (no interior, 1 seat, cut-out rad-support) the sport fwd class is the hot-rod class of 98. which i have no qualms with because it is going to be another pro class imo. hot-rod is out of reach for the normal person nowadays... the sfwd class is the next best option and there are plenty of people building purpose built cars for the class... give it a year or 2 and i think the cars in the class are going to be race-cars with a regisration on the windshield...
what i would like to see happen is a set of rules made up and stuck to... granted the nhra sport compact series is growing and growing quickly... i think there needs to be a set of rule made up without a million and a half changes every year... make the class a pro class but in the street theme. full glass, 2 seats, carpet, stock dash, no cutting and a stock front end, id be happy with those rules... if someone wants to use 28's, let them try... either they'll brake trannies, or will decide they should be stepping up to the hot-rod class at that point...
im done ranting... but thats my opinion
Look at all the rules for Top Fuel, etc.
Twin disc ok....no carbon, carbon clutches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
as much as i dont want a limit to slick size... i think a fair size to limit it to for the class would be a 26" slick... anything other than that and it will in the end turn out to be unsafe... who can say spinning some 24.5"s the top of 4th is really safe...
i would like to see aftermarket trannie's allowed eventually but for now i think a stock casing should be a requirement... with no limit on internals... period... if u have the money for a custom dog-box inside a stock casing... so be it... i hate when people say not to do one thing because of the price... racing is a money sport... if u dont have it... then maybe racing isnt for u (at least on the professional level which is the next thing i would like to say....
the sport fwd class is quickly becoming the hot-rod class of yester-years... low 10's, high 9's, full chassis', i mean other than a couple things fro years ago (no interior, 1 seat, cut-out rad-support) the sport fwd class is the hot-rod class of 98. which i have no qualms with because it is going to be another pro class imo. hot-rod is out of reach for the normal person nowadays... the sfwd class is the next best option and there are plenty of people building purpose built cars for the class... give it a year or 2 and i think the cars in the class are going to be race-cars with a regisration on the windshield...
what i would like to see happen is a set of rules made up and stuck to... granted the nhra sport compact series is growing and growing quickly... i think there needs to be a set of rule made up without a million and a half changes every year... make the class a pro class but in the street theme. full glass, 2 seats, carpet, stock dash, no cutting and a stock front end, id be happy with those rules... if someone wants to use 28's, let them try... either they'll brake trannies, or will decide they should be stepping up to the hot-rod class at that point...
im done ranting... but thats my opinion
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (ek9t)
My opinion is, if its not broke, then dont fix it... Sure maybe a few more safety rules would be in order, but as far as limiting the trannys and what not, thats rediculous.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (SIXTYdashONE)
heres my definition of Hot Rod class:
A class that is a step below pro strictly amatures. There should be no corprate cars in an amature class, also there should be no sequential trannys. This is amature class and i think some guys participate like its pro. I have little doubt in my mind that most Hotrod guys can beat the pros. Hell i would be that Gardella and Ladwif can run very competitvly if not win that class as inconsistant as pro is. I personally like the 26 inch tire rule and would love to see it put into effect. I honestly feel that its time for a few racers to move into the pro catagory instead of remaining in hot rod and this may push them to it. Its honestly a shame how we constantly have to have this discussion. I am not a big fan of all motor but those guys just race, they dont bicker and complain over stupid things they just want to race. That is what hotrod should be, you hear so many guys have to get out of the sport becaust they want to run hotrod but cant afford it. There is just too much of a gap between being competitive in sport fwd and even qualifying in hot rod. And like i said earlier the hotrod class is right on the toes of pro. I guess what im trying to say is limit the tires to 26 inches and have everyone run a stock tranny case and youll have a fun class that more can afford and it will be a ton safer and more competitive.
A class that is a step below pro strictly amatures. There should be no corprate cars in an amature class, also there should be no sequential trannys. This is amature class and i think some guys participate like its pro. I have little doubt in my mind that most Hotrod guys can beat the pros. Hell i would be that Gardella and Ladwif can run very competitvly if not win that class as inconsistant as pro is. I personally like the 26 inch tire rule and would love to see it put into effect. I honestly feel that its time for a few racers to move into the pro catagory instead of remaining in hot rod and this may push them to it. Its honestly a shame how we constantly have to have this discussion. I am not a big fan of all motor but those guys just race, they dont bicker and complain over stupid things they just want to race. That is what hotrod should be, you hear so many guys have to get out of the sport becaust they want to run hotrod but cant afford it. There is just too much of a gap between being competitive in sport fwd and even qualifying in hot rod. And like i said earlier the hotrod class is right on the toes of pro. I guess what im trying to say is limit the tires to 26 inches and have everyone run a stock tranny case and youll have a fun class that more can afford and it will be a ton safer and more competitive.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (boosted3g)
i think the hot rod class should be called PRO HOT ROD considering the fact that ther are very big corporate sponsor involved. why continue to keep it an "amatuer" class. eventually people are gonna wanna step up sooner or later. yeah ther ewill be some privateers racing in this class or even other classes. it would be no different than PRO STOCK,PRO STOCK BIKE,FUNNY CAR and TOP FUEL. all those classes have privateers in a professional class. and some of the are doing very well. basically everyone needs to step up their game. i think alot of people got comfortable on how things used to be when EVERY car out there was running 10's. i thought the purpose of this sport was to evolve and advance to make it bigger and better. it'll never happen if people keep bitchin about the cost of this and the cost of that. yeah i know some items (mainly trannies) are gonna be VERY EXPENSIVE but eventually hard work and determination will prevail.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (lugnuts)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lugnuts »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... seems to be the $64,000 question. (actually thats about the drivetrain budget for one year of competition in Hot Rod) All kidding aside, There looks to be several issues with the class that will be addressed, and it is up to the racers to help the sanctioning bodies try to reach the best compromises for each. Examples of the issues include(but are not limited to)</TD></TR></TABLE>
the problem with that is every racer that is running hard it is their human nature to want more. that is why they build the car in the first place. nobody wants to be limited at anything. but i see your point on how some of the unibodies are running close times to the pro fwd. they should just put them all in the same class. j/k
the problem with that is every racer that is running hard it is their human nature to want more. that is why they build the car in the first place. nobody wants to be limited at anything. but i see your point on how some of the unibodies are running close times to the pro fwd. they should just put them all in the same class. j/k
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (BoogieDownBrown)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoogieDownBrown »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think the hot rod class should be called PRO HOT ROD considering the fact that ther are very big corporate sponsor involved. why continue to keep it an "amatuer" class. eventually people are gonna wanna step up sooner or later. yeah ther ewill be some privateers racing in this class or even other classes. it would be no different than PRO STOCK,PRO STOCK BIKE,FUNNY CAR and TOP FUEL. all those classes have privateers in a professional class. and some of the are doing very well. basically everyone needs to step up their game. i think alot of people got comfortable on how things used to be when EVERY car out there was running 10's. i thought the purpose of this sport was to evolve and advance to make it bigger and better. it'll never happen if people keep bitchin about the cost of this and the cost of that. yeah i know some items (mainly trannies) are gonna be VERY EXPENSIVE but eventually hard work and determination will prevail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. They should call the hot rod class "Pro Hot Rod". But there should be a class in between street fwd and the "Pro Hot rod" For they guys who don't have the times to be competivie in the pro hot rod class and don't meet all the interior,gas tank, exhuast rules of the sport fwd class. Mainly for the guys who strip there cars run a fuel cell and run a open header/downpipe and run faster then 11.7
I agree. They should call the hot rod class "Pro Hot Rod". But there should be a class in between street fwd and the "Pro Hot rod" For they guys who don't have the times to be competivie in the pro hot rod class and don't meet all the interior,gas tank, exhuast rules of the sport fwd class. Mainly for the guys who strip there cars run a fuel cell and run a open header/downpipe and run faster then 11.7
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (flip1199)
i agree witj you FLIP maybe the class could be called SUPER STOCK or somethng on those lines. i know exactly how you feel about having a stripped car but not able to be in the HOTROD class or Pro Am. some people want an all out race car,not a car that is street legal that they race. well i have faith in the NHRA.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (flip1199)
i couldn't have agreed more with you. i have a 89 hatch that has a 1 piece front end w/ a fuel and lexan. im stuck in the brackets w/o a chance to get heads up experience in the all motor street class. That sucks. 
hopefully they will find a place for us guys who are stuck in the middle.
hopefully they will find a place for us guys who are stuck in the middle.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (flip1199)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I agree. They should call the hot rod class "Pro Hot Rod". But there should be a class in between street fwd and the "Pro Hot rod" For they guys who don't have the times to be competivie in the pro hot rod class and don't meet all the interior,gas tank, exhuast rules of the sport fwd class. Mainly for the guys who strip there cars run a fuel cell and run a open header/downpipe and run faster then 11.7</TD></TR></TABLE>
there really isn't any need for a class inbetween hotrod and sport fwd. if you run open downpipe, no interior, fuel cell, and big slicks(26-28"), you are a hotrod car and should be running low 9's or better. and if your running low 9's consistently, you are a threat. there is NO reason to strip your cars of those items when there are cars running sport fwd rules and no wheelie bars running high 9's, low 10's. NHRA is the biggest and best series to run. if you are just starting out and need more power/tuning/track time, then just run nhra and don't worry so much about eliminations, or run idrc, nopi, or battle. there are too many santioned bodies and too many classes as it is. not enough racers really. at least at nopi, idrc, or battle. the only change the nhra should look at in my opinion is adding an allmotor street class.
I agree. They should call the hot rod class "Pro Hot Rod". But there should be a class in between street fwd and the "Pro Hot rod" For they guys who don't have the times to be competivie in the pro hot rod class and don't meet all the interior,gas tank, exhuast rules of the sport fwd class. Mainly for the guys who strip there cars run a fuel cell and run a open header/downpipe and run faster then 11.7</TD></TR></TABLE>
there really isn't any need for a class inbetween hotrod and sport fwd. if you run open downpipe, no interior, fuel cell, and big slicks(26-28"), you are a hotrod car and should be running low 9's or better. and if your running low 9's consistently, you are a threat. there is NO reason to strip your cars of those items when there are cars running sport fwd rules and no wheelie bars running high 9's, low 10's. NHRA is the biggest and best series to run. if you are just starting out and need more power/tuning/track time, then just run nhra and don't worry so much about eliminations, or run idrc, nopi, or battle. there are too many santioned bodies and too many classes as it is. not enough racers really. at least at nopi, idrc, or battle. the only change the nhra should look at in my opinion is adding an allmotor street class.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (jinxproof99)
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the only change the nhra should look at in my opinion is adding an allmotor street class.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly...everyone else who isn't competivite in Hot Rod needs to dry up their wet pussies. Sack up and run low 9s\high 8s or run high 9\low 10s in sport fwd. Theres no need for a middle-man class when they have trouble filling the fields in Hot-Rod and Sport FWD at a given event.
The NHRA needs an All-Motor Sport FWD Class...right now its either run brackets or have a 10 sec All-Motor Racecar.
Thats it and thats all.
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the only change the nhra should look at in my opinion is adding an allmotor street class.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly...everyone else who isn't competivite in Hot Rod needs to dry up their wet pussies. Sack up and run low 9s\high 8s or run high 9\low 10s in sport fwd. Theres no need for a middle-man class when they have trouble filling the fields in Hot-Rod and Sport FWD at a given event.
The NHRA needs an All-Motor Sport FWD Class...right now its either run brackets or have a 10 sec All-Motor Racecar.
Thats it and thats all.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (D-Man)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Man »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Give me a fwd only drag radial class dammit 
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hhmmmm, no.
</TD></TR></TABLE>hhmmmm, no.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (BoogieDownBrown)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoogieDownBrown »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree witj you FLIP maybe the class could be called SUPER STOCK or somethng on those lines. i know exactly how you feel about having a stripped car but not able to be in the HOTROD class or Pro Am. some people want an all out race car,not a car that is street legal that they race. well i have faith in the NHRA.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I Agree, one of the reasons import racing has slowed in its growth is because there is no place for the amateur drag racer with a drag car. Not a street car but a drag car. Just because you have a one-piece front, turbo and lexan does not mean you have a hotrod car. How many different series and classes are available to domestic drag racers between the NHRA and IHRA. Every weekend you can go to most tracks in the USA and there are classes for a variety of drag cars and its not just bracket racing. How many people think guys like WJ or John Force went from a street car right to Pro Stock and Funny Car. To think that you have to be running mid to low nines to have an import racecar is ridiculous. Not everyone can afford to spend 80K to 100K on a racecar and those of us who choose not to should have a class to race in.
I Agree, one of the reasons import racing has slowed in its growth is because there is no place for the amateur drag racer with a drag car. Not a street car but a drag car. Just because you have a one-piece front, turbo and lexan does not mean you have a hotrod car. How many different series and classes are available to domestic drag racers between the NHRA and IHRA. Every weekend you can go to most tracks in the USA and there are classes for a variety of drag cars and its not just bracket racing. How many people think guys like WJ or John Force went from a street car right to Pro Stock and Funny Car. To think that you have to be running mid to low nines to have an import racecar is ridiculous. Not everyone can afford to spend 80K to 100K on a racecar and those of us who choose not to should have a class to race in.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (flip1199)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">jinx,
I'm just curious, but when you had your car in mid 10's what class were you runnin in nhra??and the other series.</TD></TR></TABLE>
NIRA, battle, imstar, local/regional east events @ MIR, atco, etown, etc... nhra and idrc only started having street classes for fwd cars this year. the rules are all basically the same except that nhra makes you have 2 matching seats, exhaust, and no skinnies.
I'm just curious, but when you had your car in mid 10's what class were you runnin in nhra??and the other series.</TD></TR></TABLE>
NIRA, battle, imstar, local/regional east events @ MIR, atco, etown, etc... nhra and idrc only started having street classes for fwd cars this year. the rules are all basically the same except that nhra makes you have 2 matching seats, exhaust, and no skinnies.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (bottlefedintegra)
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I Agree, one of the reasons import racing has slowed in its growth is because there is no place for the amateur drag racer with a drag car. Not a street car but a drag car. Just because you have a one-piece front, turbo and lexan does not mean you have a hotrod car. How many different series and classes are available to domestic drag racers between the NHRA and IHRA. Every weekend you can go to most tracks in the USA and there are classes for a variety of drag cars and its not just bracket racing. How many people think guys like WJ or John Force went from a street car right to Pro Stock and Funny Car. To think that you have to be running mid to low nines to have an import racecar is ridiculous. Not everyone can afford to spend 80K to 100K on a racecar and those of us who choose not to should have a class to race in. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i understand what your saying, but it doesn't take 100,000 to run a 9 second car. campaigning the car is alot of $$$$, but if thats the case, run the sport fwd class. people under estimate just how competative that class really is. you can build a low 10 second car for 15,000 and run it in the local events. not to mention in idrc, nopi, and battle without changing much on the car at all(exhaust and tires). i am just saying that ANYONE can gut a car. thats free hp. but seriously, look at it like this, nhra is for the big dogs(hot rod, pro fwd/rwd) and idrc, nopi, battle is for the amatuers. nhra has the biggest racers, the best turnouts, the most spectators. nopi is following closely, but idrc and battle are primarily for the lower budget cars.
I Agree, one of the reasons import racing has slowed in its growth is because there is no place for the amateur drag racer with a drag car. Not a street car but a drag car. Just because you have a one-piece front, turbo and lexan does not mean you have a hotrod car. How many different series and classes are available to domestic drag racers between the NHRA and IHRA. Every weekend you can go to most tracks in the USA and there are classes for a variety of drag cars and its not just bracket racing. How many people think guys like WJ or John Force went from a street car right to Pro Stock and Funny Car. To think that you have to be running mid to low nines to have an import racecar is ridiculous. Not everyone can afford to spend 80K to 100K on a racecar and those of us who choose not to should have a class to race in. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i understand what your saying, but it doesn't take 100,000 to run a 9 second car. campaigning the car is alot of $$$$, but if thats the case, run the sport fwd class. people under estimate just how competative that class really is. you can build a low 10 second car for 15,000 and run it in the local events. not to mention in idrc, nopi, and battle without changing much on the car at all(exhaust and tires). i am just saying that ANYONE can gut a car. thats free hp. but seriously, look at it like this, nhra is for the big dogs(hot rod, pro fwd/rwd) and idrc, nopi, battle is for the amatuers. nhra has the biggest racers, the best turnouts, the most spectators. nopi is following closely, but idrc and battle are primarily for the lower budget cars.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (jinxproof99)
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I second (third?) that.
I second (third?) that.
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Re: What to do with the FWD classes (jinxproof99)
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i understand what your saying, but it doesn't take 100,000 to run a 9 second car. campaigning the car is alot of $$$$, but if thats the case, run the sport fwd class. people under estimate just how competative that class really is. you can build a low 10 second car for 15,000 and run it in the local events. not to mention in idrc, nopi, and battle without changing much on the car at all(exhaust and tires). i am just saying that ANYONE can gut a car. thats free hp. but seriously, look at it like this, nhra is for the big dogs(hot rod, pro fwd/rwd) and idrc, nopi, battle is for the amatuers. nhra has the biggest racers, the best turnouts, the most spectators. nopi is following closely, but idrc and battle are primarily for the lower budget cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but still, you still never added about the cars that are gutted,have lexan,fiberglass front ends and still run only 11's. some people want to have a fullblown racecar. not a street car with interior and so forth.ok here is an example. there are cars and classes in NHRA and IHRA that you can't run faster than an 8.80 index. keep in mind this is not a bracket class.its bascilly a class for the amatuer to want to step up and maybe move to COMPETITION ELIMINATOR. then from comp eliminator you can step up into a pro class of your choice when your ready. here is another example. my son race's motocross. he runs in the 50cc class. when we race there are over 20classes for every skill level. now do you think it would be fair to put a 50cc bike in the 85cc super mini class? no its not, but there has to be a class for the in between people. i can't just go out there and put my son in a bigger class when he has never ridin before or experienced it. well i've been drag racing for 15 years and at every domestic event there always has been a class for everybody and every budget. i think maybe if we can cut back on alot of the breakage, maybe we would have plenty of time to run a few more classes. just my opinoin.
i understand what your saying, but it doesn't take 100,000 to run a 9 second car. campaigning the car is alot of $$$$, but if thats the case, run the sport fwd class. people under estimate just how competative that class really is. you can build a low 10 second car for 15,000 and run it in the local events. not to mention in idrc, nopi, and battle without changing much on the car at all(exhaust and tires). i am just saying that ANYONE can gut a car. thats free hp. but seriously, look at it like this, nhra is for the big dogs(hot rod, pro fwd/rwd) and idrc, nopi, battle is for the amatuers. nhra has the biggest racers, the best turnouts, the most spectators. nopi is following closely, but idrc and battle are primarily for the lower budget cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but still, you still never added about the cars that are gutted,have lexan,fiberglass front ends and still run only 11's. some people want to have a fullblown racecar. not a street car with interior and so forth.ok here is an example. there are cars and classes in NHRA and IHRA that you can't run faster than an 8.80 index. keep in mind this is not a bracket class.its bascilly a class for the amatuer to want to step up and maybe move to COMPETITION ELIMINATOR. then from comp eliminator you can step up into a pro class of your choice when your ready. here is another example. my son race's motocross. he runs in the 50cc class. when we race there are over 20classes for every skill level. now do you think it would be fair to put a 50cc bike in the 85cc super mini class? no its not, but there has to be a class for the in between people. i can't just go out there and put my son in a bigger class when he has never ridin before or experienced it. well i've been drag racing for 15 years and at every domestic event there always has been a class for everybody and every budget. i think maybe if we can cut back on alot of the breakage, maybe we would have plenty of time to run a few more classes. just my opinoin.