Hey fella's. I'm in the process of converting my 94' RS into a 98'spec ITR. I already have all the body peices (front clip, hedlights, lip spoiler, rear spoiler, rear bumper), just waitin for the $bling$ to repaint it championship white. Next will be the interior which will be mostly jdm itr and mugen stuff. Next summer I gonna drop a DC2 engine into it. Other than the 5 lug conversion (i'm gonna stick with the 4 lug), can anyone with some firsthand knowlage tell me anything that I might be overlooking? Any help would be appricated.

 

Im sure you'll get plenty of looks with the exterior change. But if your going to spend all that damn money converting it. Why wouldn't you just buy an ITR in the first place. Im sure you'll get flamed more for having a Fake R. But its your idea and if thats what you want to do then go for it. Im sure it'll look nice and all.

But the one thing you'll be missing. is its not a type r, its an rs.

 

I live on the east coast of Canada I would never find a ITR here. Even if I did it would be way overpriced. Plus this is a cheaper alternative. I know it's not as good as the real deal but with a suspension upgrade and the engine swap I will compeat with a genuine type r and with the body peices and paint there won't be a hell of alot of difference. So for me it's the next best thing. I am not trying to be an imatator I just love the look of the type r and don't want some aftermarket body kit (i'd like to keep all genuine honda peices with the exception of some mugen). Nothing wrong with that is there?

 

goodluck in your attempt. i am by no means telling you its the wrong move or anything. im just telling you what some people are going to say. i've got a type r wing, and im looking for the optional oem body kit for an R. its the clean and better look in my opinion. I won't be slapping on any Type R stickers though, definately don't do that. Championship White is a great color, one of my fav for tegs. It'll look good. Once you get all the work done, make sure you post pics.

Your car will still outweigh an ITR. But you will reasonably be able to keep up with one if you do things right. Goodluck with your setup.

 

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Actually the RS still weighs about 30lbs less than an itr.

The thing you will never be able to replicate is the reenforced areas of the chassis. You do a full engine/tranny/suspension swap, and it is still not going to handle like an ITR.

 

Thanks for the kind words patdemps. Like you I prefer a nice clean look and the fit and finish of genuine honda parts. I don't plan on puttin type r decals on it, the only decal will be a mugen stripe after I put a few mugen peices on it ( exhaust, steering wheel, shift ****, ect.) I'm thinking of puttin the mugen bucket seats in it but I frequently ride with my 4yr. old daughter who has a booster seat in back and I'm not sure about the accesibility to the back seats with buckets (if anyone knows please let me know). So I am also considering some JDM ITR recaros, or possibly some sparco torinos. And since I am sticking with the 4 lug and can't get the mugen MF10's, (plus i'm not to keen on spending $3000 on wheels) I was thinking about the Rota MF10 ripoffs. I hear they are a pretty decent wheel. I'll post pics as the project progresses, and when I get a digital camera.

 

You are right, but my stock rs handles pretty dam good as it is. With a suspension upgrade and some sway bars, that will be plenty tight for me.

 

don't make a replica of a type-r, make it a type-r beater. b20/vtec maybe. do the interior and exterior. it'll look nice. make it a type-rs. hehehe good luck though, no flaming from me especially when someone puts so much work into a car and they enjoy it. you're not passing it off as a type-r.

 

type R steering column is a good idea, and the B20/vtech is awesome, my buddy has it done on his R, but it all depends on how much power you're lookin to get out of it. wont b able to get much more than 220 to the wheels once all done, and it ends up being damn pricey. make sure u go with the lowdowns too man, theyre too sick

 

Can we say R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D? I had to be the first to chime in with a negative comment There is nothing cost effective about your proposed setup, lots of money and little performance. You are spending thousands to try to bring your RS to the same level as an ITR. Why not raise the bar and spend money on a setup that spanks ITRs?

If you want an R, buy one and drive it home, its far easier than making some Honda rickshaw with ITR badges Don't be a dork...

 

So let me get this straight. You are saying it is retarded to put one of the best engines ever made by honda into my car? And that a DC2 engine offers "little preformance"? You talk as if no one swaps this engine, and that anyone who does it is "retarded". Sure if I wanted to I could go turbo and save myself a few bucks, but I don't want to, I prefere a naturally aspirated engine, and the preformance from a stock ITR is plenty for me. Besides my engine now has 175000km on it, so for the extra cash I am getting a next to new engine that will last me alot longer than any turbo setup. So next time you want to flame somone, don't be a dork , think a little bit before your fingers start typing.

 

you may not want to refer to it as a dc2 motor. that could mean any motor that is in a dc2. may want to just refer to it as a b18c5. like i said, make it look like an R, but make it into an R beater.

 

I think mskibbz-T, was referring to all the interior, wheel, and all the other stuff you said you were gonna purchase. It basically looks like a dream list for someone, and could quite possibly cost in the range of 10k for everything. Now to think your going to have that done before you perhaps get rid of the car is why he is saying why waste your money on all this jdm interior stuff and all this jdm jazz. Maybe post something like what your next purchase is goin to be and so on. Everyone has a huge dream list that will obviously never be complete. I think it just looks unrealistic to say your going to spend all that money on that stuff and actually get it completed. I'd like to see it all completed, and yes it would look good...but its pretty unrealistic unless you have a bottomless pit in your pocket. In that case, you wouldn't have bought an RS.

well i hope your setup goes the way you plan. once again goodluck. just maybe throwing a reality check at you, unless your rich or your parents are.....don't get your hopes up too high for all this to happen for you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MugenFan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey fella's. I'm in the process of converting my 94' RS into a 98'spec ITR. I already have all the body peices (front clip, hedlights, lip spoiler, rear spoiler, rear bumper), just waitin for the $bling$ to repaint it championship white. Next will be the interior which will be mostly jdm itr and mugen stuff. Next summer I gonna drop a DC2 engine into it. Other than the 5 lug conversion (i'm gonna stick with the 4 lug), can anyone with some firsthand knowlage tell me anything that I might be overlooking? Any help would be appricated. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Front clip $2000?
Repaint to Champ white $2000? (+ $1000 if you want the door jambs & engine bay)
Shave Mouldings $600?
ITR wing $200?
JDM Recaro $1400?
ITR rear seat $200?
ITR door panels $300?
ITR center console $100? (OR JDM console $60?)
ITR cluster $100?
ITR Carbon fiber pieces $200?
ITR clock $50?
USED ITR Motor $3000? (You never know what condition it comes in, might need rebuild $$$)
USED ITR Tranny $1500 (You never know what condition it comes in, might need rebuild $$$)
ITR ecu $200?
Suspension $900?

Dont forget about the brakes, sway bars, strut bars...

IMO it would be cheaper to buy a good condition ITR and sell your RS to offset the costs and It will a lot cheaper than faking an ITR, (Biggest Plus-You will have an ITR, not an RS that looks like an ITR) Honda-Tech and Ebay seems to have a lot for sale reasonably priced.

If your still set in making your RS into an "RS with Type R parts", dont skimp on any of the steps of the build or it will bite you. (Mainly on the used motor; You never know what you will end up with and it may need a complete rebuild by the time you get it. Remember that the ITR has been around since 1996 and the motors never show the year or model)

 

very ambitious aspirations. ultimately, it is your car, but you must think about the practicality of it all. i agree with the others..either dedicate it to making a type r killer via aftermarket mods. or better yet, search high and low for that perfect r, and don't be afraid to to travel a long distance for it.

 

imo if you like your RS so much and you like the project, then go ahead but you will not save any money in doing that.
other than that i recomend selling your RS finding an R if you like to work on the car as a project then find an R that is theft recover, you could find it at an auction near you,
i did a similar project convert tan RS to an R and i would not do it again.

 

projects don't have to be completed all at once. what fun is it if you can't do it little by little? suspension, drivetrain, interior, cosmetics, paint. thats how i would do it.

 

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yea but we are talking many many years before this kid possibly gets it all done. we are just giving him a reality check and telling him his options before he goes and blows 10k or maybe higher on all this ****. when all in all he could travel and find himself an itr that he won't have as much trouble with.

 

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Front clip $2000?
Repaint to Champ white $2000? (+ $1000 if you want the door jambs & engine bay)
Shave Mouldings $600?
ITR wing $200?
JDM Recaro $1400?
ITR rear seat $200?
ITR door panels $300?
ITR center console $100? (OR JDM console $60?)
ITR cluster $100?
ITR Carbon fiber pieces $200?
ITR clock $50?
USED ITR Motor $3000? (You never know what condition it comes in, might need rebuild $$$)
USED ITR Tranny $1500 (You never know what condition it comes in, might need rebuild $$$)
ITR ecu $200?
Suspension $900?

Dont forget about the brakes, sway bars, strut bars...

IMO it would be cheaper to buy a good condition ITR and sell your RS to offset the costs and It will a lot cheaper than faking an ITR, (Biggest Plus-You will have an ITR, not an RS that looks like an ITR) Honda-Tech and Ebay seems to have a lot for sale reasonably priced.

If your still set in making your RS into an "RS with Type R parts", dont skimp on any of the steps of the build or it will bite you. (Mainly on the used motor; You never know what you will end up with and it may need a complete rebuild by the time you get it. Remember that the ITR has been around since 1996 and the motors never show the year or model)


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Not to mention the fact that if/when you finish this conversion, your resale value will still be below a Type R...

 

People build up RS's all the time. I think everyone here is just put out by the fact that he called it an R-conversion. If he hadn't said that, we all would have been drooling over his plans for a nicely built RS. I mean, hey, it's not like he's planning to plaster ITR stickers all over it and tell people it's an R. Sounds like a good time, enjoy your build!

 

get a ITR spoiler, ITR lip, shaved the sides, ITR 5 lug conversion, CW ITR rims. Then build the shizz out of that b18b.

 

Seriously i dunno where you were getting all of those prices at but wow $2000 for front end..... try password $1600, maybe he knows some 1 that can paint and do it a hell of alot cheaper...... let the guy do what he wants... IMO i think that the guys rs will look pretty damn good!

good luck w/ it all man hope to see pics soon

 

Insurance on a 94 RS is way lower that a ITR....i see both point of view how an ITR is the one and only and why waste your time building it but...also you gotta see his side of view/.

 

I don't see the point. but good luck

 

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he said he already has all the body parts needed. so, there is some savings...i guess.