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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 04:38 PM
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2000 si and 2000 dx use same valve?
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 04:52 PM
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 04:53 PM
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That would be false since the Si uses 4 wheel disc and the DX uses drums in the rear.
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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well your both wrong,there both the same,went to honda and both part numbers are the same......for booth valves,isnt that funny,but mastercylinders are diffrent from si and dx,that i know,from asking 2 diffrent h-dealers,todayfrom the dx and si to ex,the ex is difrent....over the other 2 which are same.......im just curious,cause i hear to many mixed opions about them,so i went to the source to find out
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:01 PM
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they use the same number
99-2000 civic si /rr disk 46210-s04-902
1996-2000 civic dx&cx /rr drum 46210-s04-902

part number right from the honda parts catalog today......
i dont recall the master bore dia for the dx/cx but 99-00 si uses a 15/16" bore and 94+ gsr uses 1" bore
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm civic 2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well your both wrong,there both the same,went to honda and both part numbers are the same......for booth valves,isnt that funny,but mastercylinders are diffrent from si and dx,that i know,from asking 2 diffrent h-dealers,todayfrom the dx and si to ex,the ex is difrent....over the other 2 which are same.......im just curious,cause i hear to many mixed opions about them,so i went to the source to find out</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you knew the answer why'd you ask?
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:07 PM
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just to see what other would say on the subject,because there is to much wrong info being spread around the forums...makes ya think twice if the info might be accurate....or just bs..
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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great point...
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:22 PM
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Well ... I stand corrected. I am very surprised though. The purpose of a proportioning valve is to regulate the pressures to both ends of the car. I am not doubting you ... but I still find it hard to believe that a car with 4 wheel discs will use the same as a car with disc/drum combination.

You have me wondering why now ... I am gonna have to ask Techline at Honda next time I speak with them to see what they have to say on the matter.
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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that is believed to be the case ,but they seem to be the same,but in refering to the ex everything is diffrent ,form the valve to the master,over a dx or si,cause i am in the process of swapping out the drums,and i read alot of forums on alot of diff stuff and im concentrating on this new project of swapping out ,so ive been tuned into topics on brakes ,and what is needed and what not,so as i went to order the needed parts from honda(master,valve and brake cables),i asked about the diffrence in the diff parts and the numbers,and they said theres no diffrence in the si and dx valve types.......so i never bought it.....so this was just a lesson ,to ask the mfg
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:40 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm civic 2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that is believed to be the case ,but they seem to be the same,but in refering to the ex everything is diffrent ,form the valve to the master,over a dx or si,cause i am in the process of swapping out the drums,and i read alot of forums on alot of diff stuff and im concentrating on this new project of swapping out ,so ive been tuned into topics on brakes ,and what is needed and what not,so as i went to order the needed parts from honda(master,valve and brake cables),i asked about the diffrence in the diff parts and the numbers,and they said theres no diffrence in the si and dx valve types.......so i never bought it.....so this was just a lesson ,to ask the mfg </TD></TR></TABLE>

Alot of the stuff you read in regards to the proportioning valve was probably in regards to the 92-95 civics. The 5th gen civics that had no abs and only rear drums did have different prop.valves. They needed that one from an integra rs/ls 4wheel disc with no abs, because of the way the lines are positioned. The 5th gens can get away with not having the correct prop.valve, but definetely needed the larger master cylinder.
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:43 PM
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i completly agree on 92-95,but this is talk about 96-00 people still insist to go si..but same as dx...is my point
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:43 PM
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I hear ya. And yes you are correct on the parts being the same.
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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I did the rear teg brakes, 1" master cylinder, and steel braided brakelines. I took the proportioning valve off the donor car to be safe, I never found out if it was the same or not?

The earlier civics had 40/40 stapped on the valve for rear disk and some thing else for rear drum.

You should post your install, it'll help ek people out.
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 04:57 AM
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i def will do that.....hope the weather gets better to do it,burrrr cold now
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 09:35 AM
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Default Re: true or false on perportioning valves (jdm civic 2000)

96-00 DX and SI are the same. However the 96-00 EX is different. I checked the part #s yesterday.
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 09:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sasebonian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
They needed that one from an integra rs/ls 4wheel disc with no abs, because of the way the lines are positioned. The 5th gens can get away with not having the correct prop.valve, but definetely needed the larger master cylinder.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I used the 40/30 prop valve from a 90 civic with rear disc, and the master cylinder, with the resevior from a VTi, work great, only thing was the mounting brackets on the props were different, and the 90's needed to have some shaving to fit in between the 92 mounting bolts.
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 10:30 AM
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false, EX and SI are the same..........same part number from honda. unless the ex has ABS
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 10:41 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AK1200 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">false, EX and SI are the same..........same part number from honda. unless the ex has ABS</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess you missed the two posts where they had the parts numbers from Honda and they are the same.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they use the same number
99-2000 civic si /rr disk 46210-s04-902
1996-2000 civic dx&cx /rr drum 46210-s04-902
part number right from the honda parts catalog today
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 10:58 AM
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ex and si what are the same?not proportioning valves,the differ,the ex and si masters are same......
.info below from : http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com

2000 si
-master cylinder #22496@
-proportioning valve #220473*

2000 dx
-master #22495
-prop. #220473 *

2000 ex
-master #22496@
prop. #220588

2000 ex w/abs
-master #22498 %
-prop. #218726 %

note: same part number with a * for dx and si(proportioning vales part numbers are same)

note: same part number with a @ for si and ex (master cylinders the same part numbers)(ex w/ abs al part differ from ex,si and dx

other diffrent part numbers with %
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:31 AM
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Wow, good info. I did the Teg rear and front swap on my 99 EX and haven't replaced the prop valve yet. No problems yet but I do hear the rears may wear faster. I wonder why the Dx and Si are the same and the Ex is different??
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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:47 AM
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SI/DX have more similar brake balance. The EX is in between the 2.

SI - large front discs, rear discs
DX - small front discs, rear drums
EX - large front discs, rear drums
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Old Oct 25, 2003 | 03:55 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2003 | 07:38 PM
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well i did the rear disk swap today,and it was a success,but i need an allignment,i tried to get it as best as i could,but im gonna put it on a machine just incase,94 ls setup,ls ebrake cables,russels steela braided lines and si master cylinder,that all thats needed for the 00 civic coupe...
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 04:09 PM
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Yeah my alignment was way off after I did mine. Strangely my front was off more than my rear (and I only changed the calipers). ??
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