Where is all the torque?
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Re: Where is all the torque? (badowski)
Want torque? Get an LS if your not interested in Vtec. Go for the B18c if you care. If budget doesn't matter, get a C5. Oh, if you want lots of torque get an H22 but be aware of the things you have to do for that.
IMO, Once a motor is tampered with I feel like it is not realiable anymore. IMO again.
IMO, Once a motor is tampered with I feel like it is not realiable anymore. IMO again.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (kIeT-y0)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kIeT-y0 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
IMO, Once a motor is tampered with I feel like it is not realiable anymore. IMO again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup. well put.
IMO, Once a motor is tampered with I feel like it is not realiable anymore. IMO again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup. well put.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (quikyEG)
a mild turbo setup would probably be the best way to get torque. However if you don't wanna go turbo, then a swap is about the only other way to get decent torque. You just aren't going to get a lot out of a 1.6L
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Re: Where is all the torque? (badowski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by badowski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I love my honda but i need torque. I now know that b20 is not for a daily driver, but what about an LS Vtech? </TD></TR></TABLE>
drop the H, IT's Vtec, with no H.
drop the H, IT's Vtec, with no H.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (stock93cx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stock93cx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
drop the H, IT's Vtec, with no H. </TD></TR></TABLE>
all the hammers werent neccesary you n00b. hes new, just simply inform him on you.
LS/VTEC= not a good daily driver. give us more details like on your price range etc. if you just want some torque i suggest you go LS turbo.
drop the H, IT's Vtec, with no H.
</TD></TR></TABLE>all the hammers werent neccesary you n00b. hes new, just simply inform him
on you.LS/VTEC= not a good daily driver. give us more details like on your price range etc. if you just want some torque i suggest you go LS turbo.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (badowski)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by badowski »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Where is all the torque?</TD></TR></TABLE>
At your local Ford Dealership
Where is all the torque?</TD></TR></TABLE>
At your local Ford Dealership
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Re: Where is all the torque? (BauleyCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
At your local Ford Dealership</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly what I thought when I read the title. All you guys who bash LSVTEC don't know crap. In all reality, if built correctly, you guys cannot show me one peice of evidence that a LSVTEC is unreliable. Nothing will ever be as reliable as a stock OEM motor, but nobody on here seems to be happy with OEM performance ( I myself was not), so we take on the associated risks of unreliability to gain performance. Just make sure that you build a motor correctly and keep up the maintence religiously, and you will be fine with whatever setup you choose. My vote is for SOHC turbo.
At your local Ford Dealership</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly what I thought when I read the title. All you guys who bash LSVTEC don't know crap. In all reality, if built correctly, you guys cannot show me one peice of evidence that a LSVTEC is unreliable. Nothing will ever be as reliable as a stock OEM motor, but nobody on here seems to be happy with OEM performance ( I myself was not), so we take on the associated risks of unreliability to gain performance. Just make sure that you build a motor correctly and keep up the maintence religiously, and you will be fine with whatever setup you choose. My vote is for SOHC turbo.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (badowski)
Why would a B20 be any less of a daily driver then an LS/VTEC or any other Honda B-Series motor for that matter. I hate this mythical CR/LS Vtec's aren't realiable bull ****. If ignorant people wouldn't go buy an LS block with 180,000 miles that's been sitting at the junk yard for 5 years and slap there VTEC head on and call it a day. No wonder.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (Ricey McRicerton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Exactly what I thought when I read the title. All you guys who bash LSVTEC don't know crap. In all reality, if built correctly, you guys cannot show me one peice of evidence that a LSVTEC is unreliable. Nothing will ever be as reliable as a stock OEM motor, but nobody on here seems to be happy with OEM performance ( I myself was not), so we take on the associated risks of unreliability to gain performance. Just make sure that you build a motor correctly and keep up the maintence religiously, and you will be fine with whatever setup you choose. My vote is for SOHC turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand???? i don't see what the big woppied freakin doo is about LSVTEC just bor out a gsr or c5 alil bit more and there ya go you have youre self the same thing as a b18b but with a much better rod ratio, lsvtec started out as a cheap way for ls guys to get vtec then they started building them when if reality you can get just as much hp and more if you do the same work a c1
Exactly what I thought when I read the title. All you guys who bash LSVTEC don't know crap. In all reality, if built correctly, you guys cannot show me one peice of evidence that a LSVTEC is unreliable. Nothing will ever be as reliable as a stock OEM motor, but nobody on here seems to be happy with OEM performance ( I myself was not), so we take on the associated risks of unreliability to gain performance. Just make sure that you build a motor correctly and keep up the maintence religiously, and you will be fine with whatever setup you choose. My vote is for SOHC turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand???? i don't see what the big woppied freakin doo is about LSVTEC just bor out a gsr or c5 alil bit more and there ya go you have youre self the same thing as a b18b but with a much better rod ratio, lsvtec started out as a cheap way for ls guys to get vtec then they started building them when if reality you can get just as much hp and more if you do the same work a c1
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Re: Where is all the torque? (95excoupeMT)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95excoupeMT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you want torque get a c1 or c5...the money you will pay to do a complete b20 swap you are better off just getting the c1 or c5</TD></TR></TABLE>
a complete b20 swap with a GSR tranny is under 2k, i'm getting mine for 1500.
146hp/133 torque. what's so bad about that? complete b20 swaps are not that hard. maybe you were thinking of h22?
swapping in a b20 is about equal to a b18b w/ gsr tranny in terms of price and difficulty. b20's are cheap and powerful. Just stay away from USDM weaksauce b20's.
a complete b20 swap with a GSR tranny is under 2k, i'm getting mine for 1500.
146hp/133 torque. what's so bad about that? complete b20 swaps are not that hard. maybe you were thinking of h22?
swapping in a b20 is about equal to a b18b w/ gsr tranny in terms of price and difficulty. b20's are cheap and powerful. Just stay away from USDM weaksauce b20's.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (slammed_93_hatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand???? i don't see what the big woppied freakin doo is about LSVTEC just bor out a gsr or c5 alil bit more and there ya go you have youre self the same thing as a b18b but with a much better rod ratio, lsvtec started out as a cheap way for ls guys to get vtec then they started building them when if reality you can get just as much hp and more if you do the same work a c1
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Get a clue. I can buy an LS block for next to nothing and bore it out the same I can a GSR block and with the extra money build the head. Anyway you slice it XX bore x 89 is still bigger then XXbore x 87.2
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand???? i don't see what the big woppied freakin doo is about LSVTEC just bor out a gsr or c5 alil bit more and there ya go you have youre self the same thing as a b18b but with a much better rod ratio, lsvtec started out as a cheap way for ls guys to get vtec then they started building them when if reality you can get just as much hp and more if you do the same work a c1
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Get a clue. I can buy an LS block for next to nothing and bore it out the same I can a GSR block and with the extra money build the head. Anyway you slice it XX bore x 89 is still bigger then XXbore x 87.2
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Re: Where is all the torque? (Jswpstdoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jswpstdoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my y7 has torque envy 
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ditto tehehe
</TD></TR></TABLE>ditto tehehe
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Re: Where is all the torque? (slammed_93_hatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand????
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do you know what the r/s ratio is of a b18c5? how about even a b18c1 for that matter? ill tell you one of them is a whopping 1.58:1. a whole .4 over the ls/vtec combo. Ls/vtecs are awesome motors if you dont cut corners when putting them together. I dont care what anyone says, if you tear any motor apart, ANY motor, including the beloved b16 with its r/s of 1.74:1, and put it back together 1/2 assed and cut corners, something will go wrong.
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand????
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do you know what the r/s ratio is of a b18c5? how about even a b18c1 for that matter? ill tell you one of them is a whopping 1.58:1. a whole .4 over the ls/vtec combo. Ls/vtecs are awesome motors if you dont cut corners when putting them together. I dont care what anyone says, if you tear any motor apart, ANY motor, including the beloved b16 with its r/s of 1.74:1, and put it back together 1/2 assed and cut corners, something will go wrong.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (Sketch_hs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sketch_hs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
a complete b20 swap with a GSR tranny is under 2k, i'm getting mine for 1500.
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Too bad B20's are not smog legal in CA since its a light truck engine!
a complete b20 swap with a GSR tranny is under 2k, i'm getting mine for 1500.
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Too bad B20's are not smog legal in CA since its a light truck engine!
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Re: Where is all the torque? (kIeT-y0)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kIeT-y0 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
IMO, Once a motor is tampered with I feel like it is not realiable anymore. IMO again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A few years ago I would have said you're crazy, but nowadays, I'd have to agree that once tampered with, reliability is in jeopardy.
IMO, Once a motor is tampered with I feel like it is not realiable anymore. IMO again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A few years ago I would have said you're crazy, but nowadays, I'd have to agree that once tampered with, reliability is in jeopardy.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (slammed_93_hatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand???? i don't see what the big woppied freakin doo is about LSVTEC just bor out a gsr or c5 alil bit more and there ya go you have youre self the same thing as a b18b but with a much better rod ratio, lsvtec started out as a cheap way for ls guys to get vtec then they started building them when if reality you can get just as much hp and more if you do the same work a c1
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I never said to rev your LSVTEC or CRVTEC to 9k. Agian, that is USER error, not build quality problems. Know the limitations of your setup and drive accordingly. I personally do not give half a **** about a LSVTEC or CRVTEC for that matter. I dont give half a **** about VTEC period. I run a y7 with a turbo on it and love it to death. I'm just tired of hearing people bitch and moan over how a friend of a friend of a friend had LSVTEC and it blew up because the build quality sucked.
so youre gona tell me that a motor with a rod ratio of of 1.54:1 is reliable to rev all the way up to 8 or 9 grand???? i don't see what the big woppied freakin doo is about LSVTEC just bor out a gsr or c5 alil bit more and there ya go you have youre self the same thing as a b18b but with a much better rod ratio, lsvtec started out as a cheap way for ls guys to get vtec then they started building them when if reality you can get just as much hp and more if you do the same work a c1
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I never said to rev your LSVTEC or CRVTEC to 9k. Agian, that is USER error, not build quality problems. Know the limitations of your setup and drive accordingly. I personally do not give half a **** about a LSVTEC or CRVTEC for that matter. I dont give half a **** about VTEC period. I run a y7 with a turbo on it and love it to death. I'm just tired of hearing people bitch and moan over how a friend of a friend of a friend had LSVTEC and it blew up because the build quality sucked.
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Re: Where is all the torque? (rodrez)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodrez »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
A few years ago I would have said you're crazy, but nowadays, I'd have to agree that once tampered with, reliability is in jeopardy. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point, but agian, this has to do with the build quality. Taking a block or whatever else to a quality shop WITH A WARRANTY will let me sleep just as good as a stock block at night.
A few years ago I would have said you're crazy, but nowadays, I'd have to agree that once tampered with, reliability is in jeopardy.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Good point, but agian, this has to do with the build quality. Taking a block or whatever else to a quality shop WITH A WARRANTY will let me sleep just as good as a stock block at night.