Hi everyone, Im new on the site here and was just wanting some suggestions. I just bought a 2000 Prelude about 6 months ago. I was wondering if I should put in a turbo or super charge it. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=296160

Those links (provided I posted it right) should give you some information. Otherwise do a search under turbo or supercharge/turbo vs supercharge.

 

So I should go with the turbo then. Is there a better brand of turbo or anything ? How often do you have to tune it and such ? Im a daily driver so how will that affect it ? Along with the turbo what else do you guys recommend doing ?

 

IMHO, turbo and daily driver in the same sentence... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

i tryed it, did everything right, spent the money, car is so unreliable, i am afraid to drive the bitch back and forth to school, let alone taking it anywhere longer than 45 min away.

i dont have any opinion on a supercharger though

but either way, its forced induction, and once you go FI on a street car, the reliable goes way down, PERIOD, so, if this is your only means of transportation,i suggest NOT doing either to your car.

 

so your saying everyone on the site that has a turbo or sc isn't a daily driver ? I am new to all of this so gimme a lil respect. If you drive your car all the time you can't do either ? Why is that ?

 

basically, your car is not reliable anymore once you use forced induction, not all people on this site with turbo cars have a 2nd car as their daily driver, but i would say 90% of the people here do not drive their turbo or supercharged cars on a daily basis, just b/c of the reliability issue

 

what is it that the turbo or sc does that makes the car so un-reliable ? I was reading a couple articles and someone said " A setup is only as reliable as the builder and owner" im just new so I don't understand what would mess the car up so bad thats all. And since I am a daily driver what can I do to do extra WHP without doing the sc or turbo since you don't recomend doing that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by false &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what is it that the turbo or sc does that makes the car so un-reliable ? I was reading a couple articles and someone said " A setup is only as reliable as the builder and owner" im just new so I don't understand what would mess the car up so bad thats all. And since I am a daily driver what can I do to do extra WHP without doing the sc or turbo since you don't recommend doing that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are a lot of things to consider. With an increase in horsepower you essentially put more stress on the engine. FI creates more cylinder pressure thereby taking you into areas such as detonation, spark blowout, lean and rich conditions and it these are left unchecked your engine goes booom in a very short amount of time. Another problem is that the engine has a high compression ratio witch does not allow for much added boost. There is the heat issue associated with running a turbo. The list goes on and on. If you go an S/C route then the problems becomes how to effectively cool the air charge temp (I say this knowing that with a turbo this is also a concern however, most after-market turbo kits include some sort of inter-cooler). The internals of your engine can only take so much not to mention that added stress on the drive-line.

The key to running a power adder such as a turbo or S/C is tune, tune and re-tune. Also a built engine with lower compression can't hurt either. I am by all means saying don't run FI but make sure you research it thoroughly. It's kinda like candy; once you've had a little you always want a lot more

 

well that's just turbo sam's car. there is plenty of guys who have reliable turbo car. I had my turbo si as my daily driver. 20min to school, and about 50min stop and go traffic to work 5 days a week. i drove my car on a couple 2.5 hour trips with out any problems. Oh did i mention that i was ony running a base map on my hondata...

 

like you said that was just his car. How long did you have the turbo in your car with no problems ? How often would I have to get it looked at ( tuned ) in order to make shure things are good. Also what is a base map ? Another question is how come there are alot of cars that come stock with a turbo ? Like the eagle talon and I forget the others. It is not good to go on long trips with it ? I just dont see why alot of people would buy a new 2000 prelude put a turbo in it and hardly ever drive it. Whats the point then. Im new so if none of this makes sense then just ignore me lol.

Thanks for the replies

 

though some FI setups may be reliable, you're adding that many more variables creating a huge jump in the myriad of potential disasters that can happen to your car.

boost is nice, don't get me wrong, but unless you're going to gut and rebuild the internals and are prepared to spend tons of downtime and money, going FI isn't worth it. Sure you can run 6psi on a stock block, but keep in mind that these engines were NOT designed to hold boost. doesn't mean that they can't, but i'm in no position to second guess honda's engine designers.

so with that in mind, i suggest going FI if: you are a competitive drag racer, have a 2nd car or alternate means of transportation, and/or won't mind spending waaaay more money than you thought you would.

then again i'm an all motor/suspension guy so you can disregard my comments

good luck

 

How often would I have to get it looked at ( tuned ) in order to make sure things are good.
Once you get it properly tuned you are set. It is that it usually doesn't happen on the first tune

Another question is how come there are a lot of cars that come stock with a turbo ?
Auto manufacturers have the cash for R&D. While the little people like me build mods one at a time.

t is not good to go on long trips with it ?
As long as you have a perfectly good tune long trips should not be an issue.

I just don't see why a lot of people would buy a new 2000 prelude put a turbo in it and hardly ever drive it. Whats the point then.
I agree drive it like you stole it.

The point I think we are trying to make is that there is a lot more to FI than just picking out a kit and installing it.

 

lets say my lude is resleeved, rods and pistons, and have a custom turbo setup pusshing out lets say up to 16 lbs. can't i drive it for a 2 hour trip lets say iwth the right fuel setup and tune up? what if i take the boost to 4 just for daily driving wont it be ok? then if i wnat to run or push the car just boost it to 16? i mean i have a 2nd car to go aroudn with but what if i want to take my car to lets say 3 horus away from here it should be ok, its not like it'll blow or nething out of no where or cause problems right?

 

just cruising you'll still be in vacuum. you'll only be boost when you get on the throttle

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well that's just turbo sam's car. there is plenty of guys who have reliable turbo car. I had my turbo si as my daily driver. 20min to school, and about 50min stop and go traffic to work 5 days a week. i drove my car on a couple 2.5 hour trips with out any problems. Oh did i mention that i was ony running a base map on my hondata...</TD></TR></TABLE>
how much WHP were you making??? curently on an untuned car, running 12 psi, i am making around 300whp. once youy start making more power, thats when you loose the reliability factor to it all.

GudeH23 has one of the most impressive setups there is (next to mine of course ) and he still says you cant make a car like that a daily driver, too many problems

now going and slapping on an actual turbo kit, not custom setup like a lot of guys are running, and the car *can* be reliable, for a time, the added stress on the engine from the turbo will take its toll eventually, therefore decreasing the life of your engine. this is not an opinion, this is a fact.

oh, and ince the car is tuned, you are not "set", there will be many varialbes that need to be adjusted from time to time. anything from what kind of gas is available, to certain weather conditions, wear on the engine/sensors etc. many variables that will change if your car is tuned well or not. even the wear on the turbo will change its efficientcy and the program will need tweaking for maximum performance


my advice, do a lot more research than asking "which is better" before you even decide if you wanna go FI. i wish i had, i still probably would have done it, but at least i would have known better just how deep i was getting into something before i started.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by false &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so your saying everyone on the site that has a turbo or sc isn't a daily driver ? I am new to all of this so gimme a lil respect. If you drive your car all the time you can't do either ? Why is that ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, he's saying if you FI the car, it will be less reliable. Higher stress = less life.

 

putting a turbo in a prelude is like putting an h22 on a 10 speed, its not meant to be......just that simpllllle....go all motor

 

damn... everyone here seems to be really against turbocharging the preludes. Im not going to argue either side becasue i WANT to turbo my lude although i havent so i have no valid argument for or against. But unfortunately i cant argue its definitly hard to do. When done right it yields **** loads of power... but you ahve to resleeve just to run forged pistons and then you need rods... 1500-2000 out the door... and thats not counting the 3000$ worth of turbo and the 1000$ worth of ecu and tuning your going to do to get it done right... then the first time you drop the clutch on your 350whp realize it slips all to hell... so you drop 300-400$ on a bad *** clutch... go to launch realize your spinning the **** out of the tires through 3rd maybe 4th gear... so you get slicks... launch hard break the axles... did i mention the 1000$ Lsd your going to want when you realize your traction is non existant... it really is ALOT of money. But i was just going to run 6psi on apexi afc with 450cc dsm injectors stock internals... still 2500-3000 for the turbo setup itself... i think i could be semi reliable with 230-250whp... and still reliable at the same time... with some good tuning from sfp or secret service at least lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92lSilude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn... everyone here seems to be really against turbocharging the preludes. Im not going to argue either side becasue i WANT to turbo my lude although i havent so i have no valid argument for or against. But unfortunately i cant argue its definitly hard to do. When done right it yields **** loads of power... but you ahve to resleeve just to run forged pistons and then you need rods... 1500-2000 out the door... and thats not counting the 3000$ worth of turbo and the 1000$ worth of ecu and tuning your going to do to get it done right... then the first time you drop the clutch on your 350whp realize it slips all to hell... so you drop 300-400$ on a bad *** clutch... go to launch realize your spinning the **** out of the tires through 3rd maybe 4th gear... so you get slicks... launch hard break the axles... did i mention the 1000$ Lsd your going to want when you realize your traction is non existant... it really is ALOT of money. But i was just going to run 6psi on apexi afc with 450cc dsm injectors stock internals... still 2500-3000 for the turbo setup itself... i think i could be semi reliable with 230-250whp... and still reliable at the same time... with some good tuning from sfp or secret service at least lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha i'd rather just buy an evo at that point

i know it's more expensive, but it'd be a lot less of a headache...

oh, and AWD too

 

When it comes down to it, its your choice, what do you want to do with you car? If daily driven go with the Supercharger, less maintenance. And if you still want more power just run Hondata with some NOS!

 

great thanks for the help. In the mean time what engine components can I do right now to gain ? What is worth changing ? Also what is this Hondata everyone keeps talking about ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo Sam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMHO, turbo and daily driver in the same sentence... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

i tryed it, did everything right, spent the money, car is so unreliable, i am afraid to drive the bitch back and forth to school, let alone taking it anywhere longer than 45 min away.

i dont have any opinion on a supercharger though

but either way, its forced induction, and once you go FI on a street car, the reliable goes way down, PERIOD, so, if this is your only means of transportation,i suggest NOT doing either to your car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sam, you should have just given him our favorite saying.

Fast, reliable, cheap..... pick two.

 

HAHA... im loving that saying... so damn true