Im posting this in the Integra forum because I want advice from you teg guys. I also am going to post this in the forced induction forum because I want advice from the guys who are knowledgable about turbo's (aka experience)

Alright this is going to be long winded but its something I need good advice and knowledgable advice on. I really don't want any responses that say stay N/A, or go Turbo. I just want a good response explaining some things and also stating some facts. Thanks for going through and reading, and yes I know there multiple people who posts things about this. But i've actually been searching through the forced induction forum for about 2 months now learning some basics and I am serious about it. I've also got an uncle who is an absolute genius with car stuff and can put the entire kit on for me and make sure everything is running perfect. I also have the next 5-6 months where the car is going to be garaged. In this time I will have the kit installed and all my all motor parts that I dont need for the turbo sold. This also means as soon as the turbo kit goes onto the car it will be sent to a tuner. Ill do every little thing to the kit to make it perfectly reliable and whatever I need to do ill come up with the cost for it. I won't run the car unless its near perfect (its my daily driver and my only car).


Here is my setup and everything that is on the car. From this list could someone list everything I "wouldn't" need for a turbo setup. Also, if you can, could you give me a quote on what kind of price I could get for the part in the market. Because I am going to sell everything to make the money for the kit (or whatever money I can get).

I had a few questions about the head. I have DPR Stage 6 headwork, not only is there a P n P done to the head but its also been flow benched, etc and the compression is raised from the headwork. Now obviously compression is something I don't want for my turbo setup. Would it be wise to sell the head and pick up a different head? In that case which head would I want to get? I stock GSR head again or what? This is one of the things I wanted to know.

Another thing I should probably look into would be selling my ITR tranny. Its got a 4.785 Final Drive and a Kaaz LSD that was properly broken into the car just a few thousand miles back. The tranny is in perfect condition so what could I get for it? with all those parts included....or should I sell those things seperate from the tranny?

Toda header probably has to go. Something I could get some good money for aswell.

Well enough of me just going on and on. Ill let you guys chime in and see what you think. Im open to any suggestions and also open to all opinions. I want to know what you guys think honestly. I've obviously gotten some very good power out of my all motor setup, but maybe its time for a change and get some more power out of the car. I want to make this as reliable as possible. I would probably get a Greddy or Revhard kit. I haven't really checked into that much about these turbo kits but I hear the Greddy is a bolt on kit that comes with everything for around 3k. Now with that considered. How much power can they push out? Running on a safe and streetable PSI that is reliable. Ill think of more things as the post develops and people start to comment. Thanks again for everything!

Here is my setup:
Power Mods:
DPR Stage 6 Headwork
Type R Cams
Toda header 4-2-1
Skunk 2 manifold
Type R CAI
Kakimoto 70mm exhaust
Carsound Cat

Tuning Device:
Apex-i VAFC

Other Mods:
Fidanza Flywheel
Exedy clutch
B&M short shifter
Underdrive pulley

Valvetrain:
Oversized ceramic coated valves
titanium retainers
ITR valvesprings
Titanium V-TEC cross-over pins

Transmission:
ITR tranny
JDM 4.785 FD
Kaaz 1.5 Way LSD

Suspension:
Koni double adjustable shocks
Neuspeed springs
front and rear sway bars

I've also got STR cam gears, and an ECU that hasn't been touched yet.

I was also thinking Hondata s200......

 

advice needed

 

Heres my .02 cents

First off you have a nice NA setup, and your #'s tell me that you have the ability to have a succesful turbo setup. It takes parts that work well together just like a powerful NA setup to be successful.

You have a great deal of Na parts that you can get some good $ for, this will help pay for looks like 75%+ of your turbo setup. Let me first off say that i wouldn't get the greddy kit, especially if your coming off a 189 whp all motor setup. Revhard is a great beginner kit with room to grow, but i think you'll be better off piecing together a custom kit. Not only is it cheaper, but you get the exact parts that you want.

I would sell just about your whole NA setup, tranny is up to you, quite a few people run ITR tranny's, although for a street car with basic setup most people prefer the gsr tranny Honestly if I was in your shoes I would sell the ITR tranny and pick up a gsr tranny and have a quaife installed. You shoudl be able to break even there with minimal if any money spent.

As far as the head, what compression is it now?

You have a great motor to start with that has huge potential and aftermarket.

Price Tag $3k
My first turbo kit was last year, setup was gsr chassis, b20 vtec, gsr tranny. Since I was a FI n00b i opted to go with the revhard 2c kit, I was very pleased. Don't let advdvertisements fool you into thinking only certian kits are bolt on, any kit is as bolt on as the next.

Price tag $2,500
For my 2nd and current custom kit

It took three months to piece together, but I was doing alot of shopping and researching. I am much happier this time around. I got great pieces and great prices, ended up spending about $500+ less than my first pre fabbed kit, but with better parts. I ended up getting preciison sc34, precision FMIC, inline pro manifold, tial wastegate, 3" exhuast, ect..... I was planning on going hondata from the start, but funds fell short and was unable to finihs that side of the project. Hondata is a great system for a daily driven street car, and it also has a great price tag.

2 years ago too many people were running kits with fmu's and boost controllers and it lead to alot of blown motors, don't let people tell you "turbo isn't reliable" because chances are they have never owned a turob honda. The majority of blown motors are from owner error. In the last year technology and tuners have made turbo honda's as reliable as the next car. As long as you maintain your car, and stay dedicated you will make power and be succesful.

A local member here pieced together exact same turbo kit as mine, but his was a gsr and also went hondata/550cc from the start. He made 295/212 on 10.5-11 psi stock gsr motor tuned by tony1 .

 

Thanks for the reply.

I am piecing together a kit and researching all the information needed to make this thing workout the first time. I am going to be running a precision sc61 it looks like. The rest of the kit I am going to go with top of the line stuff, and I will piece it all together over the winter. Ive already gotten some names online for parts and I will have most of my list decided in a few weeks. Then, its putting the money together and doing my shopping ......Ill probably purchase the misc. stuff this week and possibly all the oil lines. Any other suggestions/advice. Any deals or ideas floating around out there. I wanted to hear from my teg crowd more then anyone else, but this post seems to be pretty quiet thus far.

 

i know someone who would take your toda header off your hands

 

Ill be listing up the things for sale pretty soon. first i have to garage the car and then take everything off. then the turbo kit gets installed .....

any other knowledge out there?

 

How many cc's would you be giving up if you kept the DPR head?
That extra volume could be used for more air and fuel. If you aren't giving up more than 1 or 2 cc's, I'd be inclined to keep the DPR head if you weren't going to rework another head.

I'm a proponent of quench, and I think you should keep as much of it as possible...as well as the polished chamber (stock heads have sharp edges around the IN/EX valves...whatever that area is called) and matched flow of the DPR head.

Quench will help to improve the quality of the combustion by homogenizing the air:fuel mixture, cooling it down, and increasing the rate of burn. Quench helps prevent lean misfires, uneven combustion, and detonation. It'll also allow you to run less timing and reduce negative work. You'll enjoy your below-atmospheric driving much better than without it.

I'm not in any place to say how much quench is good and how much you should be using relative to your other parts, tuning, and running conditions. I don't have enough data, brains, or experience to give you any info on that. With that said, I'm not sure that any of what I said is applicable to your scenario. There is still compression ratio to take into account. I'm guessing you're gonna be using stock P72-A0's.

Roughly, where does your mechanical compression ratio stand right now with that head?

If you were to use an aftermarket piston:
The ideal piston to use would a dished crown with high compression height to get good quench, but still keeping your compression ratio low.

 

sexy numbers with the NA setup but going to the dark side is YOUR choice so don't let anyone tell you not to if your sure about it.

make sure to post updates on the project and gl man

 

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make sure to post updates on the project and gl man </TD></TR></TABLE>

the dark side claims many now a days.

 

INVTEC: thanks for the post. on another site i've been directed to get rid of the head because it will cause me to lose power actually because N/A and FI headwork is totallly different. With that in mind who knows who's right. Thats what I have to choose, haha. It would seem easier to keep my head (no worries about shipping it out, then reinstalling another one that I have no idea how it was treated).

also, i am going to say my compression is around what a stock ITR would be. it may be a bit less. Im going to say around 10:6:1-10:8"1...but thats a ballpark figure. I am going to try and get ahold of Dan Paramore to find out for sure.

the darkside has overtaken me

 

yeah when i do turbo, it will be pieced together by yours truly, none of that kit ****. H-T is plenty good enough of a resource to put together a setup wayy better and wayy cheeper than that played out Greddy!

congrats to tony1 for making 295/212 on 10.5-11 psi stock gsr motor tuned

and turbo really IS just as reliable as NA if you do it right, and of course you'll do it right (your car's just like your baby, after all)!!!

good luck, post after-pics, dyno, etc..

 

another site as in teamintegra?? haha really sucks when your flipping back and forth between the two sites in the teg forums and see almost the same exact post

http://www.team-integra.net/fo...64283

 

Would you like an award for your awesome investigating skills?

nice first post on honda-tech....i think everyone now knows where to go for anything that involves navigating on the web.

Different sites offer different people and varying opinions. The more information the better, the more knowledge obtained the better. I see where your knowledge stands....newb

 

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What sucks about it n00b Maybe you should make your way back and stay over there

 

why r u thinkin of sellin ur tranny?
ITR tranny
JDM 4.785 FD
Kaaz 1.5 Way LSD
-that's a pretty good tranny set up
i say keep it, unless ur goin w/ a big turbo and wont be makin boost till high rpm, then u need a tranny w/ longer gear ratios

 

I have gotten about half the people saying get rid of the tranny...the other half saying keep it.

One thing I do know. If I keep the ITR tranny, the 4.785 FD is gone, because that gearing is far too short and its awful to cruise with on the highway.

 

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What sucks about it n00b Maybe you should make your way back and stay over there</TD></TR></TABLE>

seriously man, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR 1ST POST!!! WELCOME TO H-T!!!
Sure I peep TI occasionaly, but u really got some nerve posting that as your first post

no need for that ****, you N00B!!!!!

 

I've put together a shopping list thus far. Goal 250whp....

-Precesion sc34 Turbo
-Exhaust Manifold and Downpipe (Arturbo)
-Keeping 2.5" Cat and 70mm full exhaust
-saturated RC 550cc Injectors (thanks to quikb18b )
-Greddy Type S or R bov
-Oil lines and fittements (Flamenco-t)
....no information on the Front Mount Intercooler(precesion front mount maybe), piping, and what my tuning device is going to be. I wanted to stay with my vafc but Im not sure if that is going that is the best scenario. Probably going to go with hondata s200.

not sure of everything else yet..

thats the list thus far. thanks to quikb18b for all his help, he's pretty much pointing me in the direction after I told him what I wanted out of the setup

<U>sale list will probably look like this</U>
Toda Header
ITR cams
STR cam gears
JDM FD 4.785
Maybe my Kaaz LSD...replace it with a quaife
AEM CAI (for skunk2 manifold or ITR)
a few other things but I can't remember off the top of my head

 

So when exactly are you going to be getting rid of some of the current parts? Header? Does a header for the 95 fit on 99? I would def be interested in that if it is in winter. You'll have to let us know how it compares to your current setup, which seems to do quite well.
-Staci

 

Instead of the Greddy B/O & WG, I would consider going with Tial.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99GSR1980 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So when exactly are you going to be getting rid of some of the current parts? Header? Does a header for the 95 fit on 99? I would def be interested in that if it is in winter. You'll have to let us know how it compares to your current setup, which seems to do quite well.
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Ill let you know when things go up for sale for sure. As far as the toda header fitting your car. I don't recall any differences in why they wouldn't.....but maybe someone else will answer that.

 

sorry, i know you don't want to hear this, but i'm going to say it.. your car is awesome the way it is. looks to be a very balanced and fun machine to me, and not to mention super reliable. why do you want to go turbo anyways..? just go to fast in a straight line..? you're probably better off selling your parts, selling your car, and then gettin a turbo car to begin with..

before my NA route, i was thinking about going turbo until i saw the horror of 2 of my friends putting turbo on their preludes.. it was a complete mess.. they thought they could just drop it in and tune it, but jeez man.. easier said than done

imo, turbo on an integra it's just so much work.. there's so many components and something will always go wrong. unless you're mechanically inclined, you will most likely face a lot of headaches in the future

 

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"PFfFfFFfffffSssSSsssSssSHhHhHHHHHTTttTt," the BOV said.

How I first fell inlove with the darkside.

patdemps...may I ask the reason why you are so inclined to cross over to the darkside?

I will post and give in my 02 but I'm still waiting on how this thread grows....

NRG

 

Well the first thing that has obviously attracted me to turbo is its unlimited potential. The fact that you can always upgrade and not spend so much damn money. Im in the middle of piecing together a kit and can't believe how cheap it is to throw this many ponies into your car. If you go out and do it right the first time (buy reliable parts, from reliable people) then your going to have a successful setup. Going out and buying a kit or going out and buying cheap parts to save yourself money and having them crack or not perform is the way were people get burned with turbo. Also, any person knows that if tuned correctly and not beaten to death a turbo setup can be just as reliable as the next N/A setup. A lot of it is in the tuning (I won't lie, I understand that, thats exactly why I am going to make a trip to New York to have Greg Samaroo tune my car, as soon as the kit if finished being installed). I am taking the right steps and all the precautions. I am researching and getting advice from the experienced. I have talked with several people just online about their experiences and what their advice is.

Also, I have a few buddies that have turbo setups. Yes, turbo is all its cracked up to be and then some. Its an extreme rush having that power at 3200 or whatever rpms all the way up to your redline, and then that beautiful sound of a BOV chiming in. The fact that your honda can make gobbles of torque finally, the fact that you've got a car that can mess up V8's. Yes, I know thats all just the fun and bonus part of turbo but those are benefits of it. I know its going to be a tough task, and I know what its going to take to make it all work together. But I am ready for it. I am going to put together all the right pieces and make it work successfully. Im not in this to blow up my car. And I don't plan on coming close to doing so. I don't drive like a bat out of hell, I treat my car like a daily driver should be treated. You won't see me flying around BOV'ing everyone just because I have turbo. There are times and places for it. I realize its danger and power. I realize I am putting it in my daily driver and expecting it to perform day in and day out (even though I barely drive my car....full time college student, basketball player, garages car for 5-6 months out of the year because of winter).

With all that said, there is a bunch more I can say. But the length of this is getting to where nobody is going to read it. Hope that sums a few things up. Thanks for the replies.

 

I read it all

Pat is sounds like you are off to a great start, your right there are alot of people who cheap out, buy all that dsm bulshit, run afc hacks, high boost, ect... point im gettign at is you guys ever heard the phrase "Guns don't kill people, stupid ****'s with guns kill poeple". Well same goes for turbo, the owner is responsible for the decisions made, the maintenece, the tuning, the parts, Do it right, and maintain your car, and yes it will be as reliable as Na setup. On my second turbo setup ive been boosted for almost 3 months now, and havent had ot touch the car since the install besides oil changes, spark plugs and regular maintenence