Why are used R's so expensive? I mean I have seen a few 00' ITRS with 30-40,000 miles asking 30,000 for that car stock!!!! THAT IS INSANE. Thats what 5,000 OVER msrp? I mean I was looking into ITR's but looks like im going to go with a prelude now. I mean they are nice cars, and rare. But I dont agree with used prices at all.

 

I totall agree with you. Some ppl on this board are asking more then what they pay for the car new, which is totally ridicolus.

 

i know right

 

Supply & demand ?

 

But it's an R!! The greatest FWD ever made! how could you not ask for more then you payed for stock about 20k miles ago?? Don't even bother with an R, you pay an arm and a leg to own one, then realize it's not much faster then a GSR and it handles only slightly better. Not to mention, every car thief around will start noticing where you park the car..and live. not worth the hassle IMO

 

Used ITR prices are ridiculous....I think alot of R owners have too much pride in their cars....But thats my opinion. Only reason why they can up the price is cause it's limited edition. But 5k over MSRP is asking too much, especially since the previous owner most likely revved the living **** out of the car.

 

Not all of us.I will be selling mine for 19.5 or 20k in a few weeks here.

 

I agree, it's stupid, but i guess there are riceboys willing to pay that so they can show off at high school. Most R owners are selling b/c they have figured out that duh, its a nice car, but not everything the hype is. IMHO, RWD is wayyy better and always will be, FR/ or MR both I think are better, that and hello 130 llbs of torque...yay...

oh yea,

 

heh... a few months back, my friend got a 98 Prelude SH manual with 30k miles for $11K!

Now THAT's a fair deal

 

Limited and no longer in production. The only reason why the R came back for 2001 I think is because of racing. It's nice to turn to Speedvision and seeing ITRs running with E36/ E46 BMWs.

 

You want to talk about limited and no longer in production? Lets talk early 60s Dinos... or even more so early Shelbys... I hate to break it to you, it's ONLY an Integra... Don't get me wrong, I've ridden in them, driven them... and YES, they are worth the small amount they cost. Though are they going to be worth anything? No... my predictions say they will depreciate just like everything else.

 

I don't like ITR's are rear, I see them all the time!!!
a 98 lude sh for 11k??? Your friend btter have that car checked out!!! Most likely its been in a wrech or something!!

 

Supply & Demand...the price is what people are willing to pay. If that guy can afford to hold off a couple months to find someone to offer 28k, he should.

But yes its definitely true...a lot of ITR owners are very cocky and uppity about the "value" of their cars. Many need to realize that sentimental value and financial value dont always go hand in hand. They are terrific cars, but 30k is absurd to someone with half a brain. Especially since nowadays theyre not THAT hard to find.

Look around man, there were a bunch posted in the last couple weeks ranging from 19k-22k.

 

It depends on what you want doesnt it?, The point is that for what they cost there is little to choose from that directly competes. Of course you can go for M3's really early 911's, 944 T's, Lotus etc, etc but the running costs are insane. It is a cult care and if it was hype then the press would not still be using it as the benchmark for front wheel drive handling. Early 60's, Dino's, Shelby's...are you mad what are you comparing them for. It IS an Integra but the RB5 is only a Scooby and the M3 is only a 3 series..........the finished car is greater than the sum of its components which is the same with the ITR. If you want one get one, if you dont/cant .........dont?


[Modified by luke, 4:26 PM 9/3/2001]

 

sorry...type r's aren't at all worth it. if you want to be able to say "shyahhhh dude, check out my totally awesome type r integra factory 'racer' dude!" for a little more than half the money you could build something that would blow the ******* doors off that thing...like what i do every chance i get. three words, "turbo hybrid hatch". if you like the integra, then build a gsr or make a b20 monster. it's just the name. you could build way way way much more better performance.

 

You made some valid points... BUT... the vehicles I listed... are and will be worth something twenty years from now. Unfortunately... the Type-Rs will not be. The ONLY two ITRs I see increasing in value on the US shores would be the `97 USDM due to it being the ONLY ITR with the `94-`97 frontend... and the `98 USDM due to it being the FIRST with the `98+ front end...

Take it for what you will... but you're right, an M3 is a nice 3-series... I didn't note that one... a dino is a dino... there are no lesser dinos... catch my drift?

 

Type-R's aren't worth it? For 30K they aren't, but for what Honda asks for them brand new, they're worth every penny. Domestics can be built for around $7000-$10000 that will blow the doors off of most Hybrids, and they'll be a reliable to boot. Point is, there is always something faster/cheaper. If you think the point of the ITR was to go fast in a straight line, you don't get it. You can take a stock ITR and the car will run over 5000 RPM for 30-40 laps and come back without too much problem, save for boiled brake fluid, maybe brake fade. How many laps do you suppose that turbo will stand before it needs to come in? A well made car will run laps without difficulty, anyone can slap on a motor and go crusing in a toy.


The car does what it was designed to do extremly well. Unless you've driven a car at 9/10's under track conditions, you'll never understand the meaning of confidence, controlled throttle steer on a FWD car, linear braking, precise turn-in etc. It has some flaws, but you learn to live with it. The car is an incremental improvement over a GSR, a fairly large incremental improvement. It's not "the ****". It's riceboys that act/think that.

It also has the distinct ability to weed out Posers (or the "shyahhhh dude, check out ..." crowd). Most ITR owners I've met are a lot more mature than the people you describe, and actually track their cars. Riceboys are very rare.

For example, some of the complaints I hear from R owners (including myself):

- The steering is overboosted, can I disable the P/S?
- The brakes fade too much under hard use
- The stock tires chunk too easily at the track (not ware, but CHUNK).
- The fluid boils too easily etc.


These are not the concerns of your typical hatch driver. That should tell you something.


Second hand ITRs can be had for reasonable prices, look around. People asking 30K for them are stupid, only people stupider are those buying them.


[Modified by R748, 9:44 PM 9/3/2001]


[Modified by R748, 9:46 PM 9/3/2001]

 

I have to agree with Vazquez911's first statement. I drive a turbo gsr with JDM conversion, and I've invested money that could have bought me a small house into developing it. They are just honda's. Period.

Now don't misunderstand me - the whole reason why I have done so much with that car . . . hell, the reason I am a member on this board . . . is because I simply enjoy working on them. However, you have to remember the fact that they are honda's, and in consistency with that fact, it takes alot of time, money, and effort to make these little motors do anything impressive.

The R is a cool car, but damn - they aren't that hard to find. Its not like a beanie baby or anything

 

I like Itr's. I think the marketing/advertising at Honda did a great job by limiting the production and giving each owner a particular number that they can call their own. I think if they were not numbered, it would make the R less significant to own even if they were limited.

 

Vazquez,

You managed to say it's only an Integra and as I would interpret that to mean and Integra is an Integra. Then turn around in the second post and differentiate between the R and the others to make the R worth less in the future.

Will it be worth something in 20 years? Who knows. Is it worth something now? Depends on who you ask. ARe they all they are cracked up to be? Depends on who you ask.

I track and Auto-X my R all the time and I consistently beat other modified Teg owners (Some of which are even supercharged GSR's with R LSD's). Hard to say that the R is all hype when you have no obvious advantages, both drivers are competent in FWD cars and the GSR has 40+ whp on you.

Part of the problem with this post is that a lot of people complain how R owners are conceited and rude but this post is no more then the same. Respect is what it is about. My R in a stratight line is even with a 93 Civic Ex 4 Door with a greddy turbo. I respect that car and the driver a lot. I think no less of him for having a 93 civic than I do or someone with a 98 or 00 Type-R. It is the person I pay attention to. Generalizing in gerneral is a bad idea . . .

And on topic . . . anything over $24,000 for a pre owned R is dumb and there should be a good reason for paying that much.

 

Here in KS, used R's are very reasonable($14K-$19K for average miles '97/'98's). Insurance is another story.

A separate thought: I don't think ITR's will ever be as "classic" as a 60's mustang or 50's corvette simply because of the unibody design. Today's unibodies seem to be made as "disposable" cars. If you get your unibody in wreck or it gets rusty, it's a whole bunch more expensive to straighten than those domestic classics where you just bolt on new body panel.

 

some of you guys just dont understand.

 

I AGREE WITH R748!!!!!!