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Old Oct 18, 2003 | 03:40 PM
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Default so how much could I be looking at?? (WHP)

I know itīs impossible to say exactly, but a wild guess would be OK!
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b16a2, p&p head, ctr pistons, Jun III with Jun valvetrain, VAFC, chipped p08, Jdm DC header, stock intake manifold and ITR throttle body.

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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 03:12 AM
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150-155ish.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 04:35 AM
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depending on tuning.. 165-170ish
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 05:23 AM
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what camshafts are you going to be running? with that much compression you'd be overcamming/undercamming big time. you can't just throw compression into a car and expect results, you've got to have motor parts that coexist with everything else. your camshafts should basically match your headwork and compression to get good results.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 05:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TimoneX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">150-155ish.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL...I'm at that already ..And only I/H/E..

My guess would be 175-180 ish..I will get a pretty similar setup and that's my goal..
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 05:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by advanracing62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">depending on tuning.. 165-170ish</TD></TR></TABLE>

He won't get that without better breathing/exhaust.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 06:21 AM
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163whp+
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 06:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by patdemps &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what camshafts are you going to be running? with that much compression you'd be overcamming/undercamming big time. you can't just throw compression into a car and expect results, you've got to have motor parts that coexist with everything else. your camshafts should basically match your headwork and compression to get good results. </TD></TR></TABLE>

read..he said jun III cams


oh and BTW..who did the p&p work
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 09:47 AM
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150..155ish??? damn.... canīt be thatīs what Im pulling right now without the Jun3, vavlvetrain and chipped ecu...
all the other things I have already.. the only thing Iīm adding is the 3 mentioned above...
P&P done by Alaniz..
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 09:53 AM
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Dude I was in Denmark 2 weeks ago! I work for AP MOLLER.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 11:30 AM
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155? common be real man. B16a2's make like 140 WHP stock. atleast 160.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 02:31 PM
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You guys should do more research. Everyone keeps making like the CTR pistons will vault his compression into the stratosphere, when in reality he'll be under 11:1, and that's being optimistic. Milling the head some would be helpful. I love Alaniz P&P work BTW, I think they do the best work available on Honda heads. You asked for a realistic assesment and I provided it, I'm not trying to discourage you, I just don't believe you'll reach the 180whp max some here have suggested with these particular mods. An engine build is an entire system and adding some parts while leaving other weak links will severely hamper the results. Furthermore the JunIII cams will cost you dynamic compression. This is precisely why people say such cams are best mixed with high compression. A better mod for you might be a swap to the b17 crank, particularly if you're looking for a spirited daily driver rather than a high rev dragster. Given the list of mods you've provided, I suggest you'd see more of a performance boost from a b17 crank & rods than from JunIII cams. The crank would boost your compression to 11.3:1 and boost displacement to nearly 1.7l. Again it depends on your intended use of this motor, whether dedicated 1320 rocket or daily driver, but if this is the end of your mods, I'd bet dollars to donuts you'd get better results from a b17 crank & rods and perhaps a ctr intake cam than you would from a JunIII infusion and the cost would likely be similar.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 04:15 PM
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Default Re: so how much could I be looking at?? (TimoneX)

he said he already had the cams

but i think he has a good setup
he has a 11.1:1 comp
a head by alanis
ITR intake manifold
DC JDM header


at least 175whp or am i wrong
maybe more with tunning
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 04:35 PM
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You sure you read it? He said he had everything but the cams, and that's ITR TB.

I do not believe he will be getting 40whp out of these mods. Sorry.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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yes he has
he is a friend of mine

why not
he also has VAFC
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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Yes he has what?
It's good to have friends.

Because it's not a realistic expectation.
Kewl, he should sell it and get a Hondata setup.

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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 07:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TimoneX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everyone keeps making like the CTR pistons will vault his compression into the stratosphere, when in reality he'll be under 11:1, and that's being optimistic. </TD></TR></TABLE>

there's no way he's under 11:1 with CTR pistons. It's above that, around 11.2:1 I think.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 08:18 PM
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I know the reality of CTR pistons in a b16 is higher than the #s indicate, but the #s indicate 10.8:1. That's why I rounded to 11:1. The point is however that they don't do what they do to b18c blocks.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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Default Re: so how much could I be looking at?? (TimoneX)

Donīt worry about it.. Iīm not discouraged about the numbers you are pointing out.
I just wanted an aprox. answer.. which is pretty cool..Tks! (And no.. I donīt have a ITR intake manifold.. just the Throttle body.. )
I will look into that B17 crank and rods you mentioned..sounds really interesting.

TimoneX, would I need custom pistons to run b17 crank and rods on my b16??
or the Ctr pistons I already have are ok?
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 09:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TimoneX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but the #s indicate 10.8:1. </TD></TR></TABLE>

numbers from where? if you're talking about C speed's site it's wrong for pct slugs.

It's over 11:1 for a b16 with pct pistons.

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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 09:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PanamaVTI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DonÂīt worry about it.. IÂīm not discouraged about the numbers you are pointing out.
I just wanted an aprox. answer.. which is pretty cool..Tks! (And no.. I donÂīt have a ITR intake manifold.. just the Throttle body.. )
I will look into that B17 crank and rods you mentioned..sounds really interesting.

TimoneX, would I need custom pistons to run b17 crank and rods on my b16??
or the Ctr pistons I already have are ok?
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Nope. Just the crank and rods.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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awesome!.. Iīll look into that setup right now!. I think I might do the whole b17 crank/rods and Jun 3 setup..
What do you think about adding a AEBS intake manifold..?? is it any good?
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 10:24 PM
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Not from what I've seen. Do a search in the ITR forum someone tested it NA. It bombed as I recall.
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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 10:01 AM
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ok... I'll check it out..
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