If we allow $15K plus transmissions in Hot Rod, the only way for low buck guys like us to win a race would be for the high dollar sponsored guys to break something else. Everyone likes to think the underdog at least has a chance to win against the corporate cars. Does everyone here want to see 8 corporate cars running against each other in hotrod, like pro stock is now?
Why not put a price limit on aftermarket trannys. Say no aftermarket tranny allowed with a list price of $5000 or more in Hot Rod? That way even the lesser known cars might have a chance to buy in and win. Why restrict competitive Hot Rod racers to only those that have the extra $ for a $15K additional buy in. Keep the high dollar stuff for Pro FWD and Pro RWD.
I say reduce Hot Rod to one power adder (with alcohol being a power adder) and there would be no need for these trannys. Make it a class like Top Alcohol Dragster in NHRA. You can run un-supercharged on nitro or supercharged on gasoline, your choice.
Our new alcohol car for next year will basically be a tube framed car that will be carrying a uni body along with it. 160mph is too fast and dangerous for a uni body, much less the 175-180mph cars running now. It is time to slow down the uni body and let the tube frame guys go faster.
OK..time for everyone to tell me I'm wrong.

 

why bother if you can't go any faster. keep breakin parts with your new car!!have fun!!

 

I guess well have to put garys motor in a tube chassis with a "high dollar trans" and go kick ***

 

profwd- ***** out...buy whatever your budget allows.

unibody- should be limited to race gas.and a stock trans case..

like mike state's above 180 in a unibody is dangerous.

 

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Oooh i would love to respond rather rudely to this but its too early in the morning for that ****.. What you fail to understand is that the laskey's are NOT the only people having financial issues concerning the tranny. The laskeys are the only people that will speak out about it. I Mean, the way the "hot rod" class should be brought back is for the racer without the unlimited budget.

**** if it was up to me, K. Tran, JOJO, Ho lung, B. Mortenson and whoever else has a BIG BUDGET sposnor would be bumped to pro FWD. And dont start with the " no no they arent fast enough, look at DR. Charles, hes running semi consistent in the class and i know atleast Kenny and ho lung have gone faster than him.

Chris

BTW, Earl your wrong

 

well, this brings up the same debate that keeps popping up. How can you be competitive without a big sponsorship deal? Things like this tranny are just one more way to push the little guy out. But, thats racing. If you can allow GMs big dollar tricks, this tranny should also be allowed. I want to see just how fast the big boys can go, and less broken parts makes for a more exciting race for the spectators too.
But, I still wish that there was some way to have a hot rod type class for people without sponsorship deals, too bad there would be no way to police it.

So I guess that I just need to take out a second mortgage to be competitive...

 

the answer to all your questions is in my first post... Bump all BIG SPONSOR/corporate cars to PRO fwd

 

in the end....

all of the little guys should have built a sport fwd.

..hotrod will be way to exxpensive to campain and maintain a car.

 

what big names are on Gardellas car??

 

listen i think 15 g is rediculous for a freaking transmission, look at rwd guys, they pay 4-5 thousand for a great clutchless unbreakable transmission while we are stuck paying 15 g, but heres the thing. IF we keep using transmissions two things are going to happen gm is going to keep pulling further away from hondas beacause they will find a way to make a transmission under the gm name and run it. And the honda guys will just keep breaking transmissions like crazy and keep getting faster and faster, Jotechs car in hot rod goes through how many trannys in one race? how about the other guys. I think making the cars in this class not run ethanol is stupid. But There has to be some limits to hot rod soon because soon its going to be like nhra , Either take out a 100k dollar loan to build your car and still lose or dont race at all. I desided a year ago i wanted to race hot rod and im planning on racing this season comming up but holy **** this price for the transmission is really killing me , since i have NO SPONSORS!

-rayray

 

i never said anything about gary's car..I didnt mention his name up there, BUT he did have ecko, even though he might not have it now, he DID have it and that was a starting point for gary to build on and that is what he did..

Get over it man, no one's picking on ur best friend gary

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hotroddd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what big names are on Gardellas car??</TD></TR></TABLE>Be serious, we all know where Gary gets his money. He breaks more motors than anyone knows about and has more unwanted parts just waisting away in his garage than any corporate sponsored team. It would make no sense for any normal person to spend that much money to win so little. He spends more money on his car than GM and Dodge. A corporate sponsor would just slow down his spending.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The P.I.M.P &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i never said anything about gary's car..I didnt mention his name up there, BUT he did have ecko, even though he might not have it now, he DID have it and that was a starting point for gary to build on and that is what he did..

Get over it man, no one's picking on ur best friend gary</TD></TR></TABLE>

SERIOUSLY, I SECOND THIS.

you need to getover yourself(Hotrodd)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lawman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Be serious, we all know where Gary gets his money. He breaks more motors than anyone knows about and has more unwanted parts just waisting away in his garage than any corporate sponsored team. It would make no sense for any normal person to spend that much money to win so little. He spends more money on his car than GM and Dodge. A corporate sponsor would just slow down his spending.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No need to attack gary without gary being here to defend himself. Attack the groupie's not gary.

 

ok this is what i want in hot rod next year. And we all know it aint going to happen. ALL MANUFATURED SPONSORED CARS OUT , MOVE UP TO PRO. That means all these GM, Saturn, Pontiac, Chevy, Honda, WHATEVER MOVE Up to pro . All major sponsored cars, such as Quaker state, etc, MOVE UP TO PRO. Are you doing racing for a living? IS that considered PRO? Move up. Leave hot rod for the regulars and turn this back into a racer class, not a WHO HAS MORE MONEY class.

-rayray (VENTING )

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kamira &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok this is what i want in hot rod next year. And we all know it aint going to happen. ALL MANUFATURED SPONSORED CARS OUT , MOVE UP TO PRO. That means all these GM, Saturn, Pontiac, Chevy, Honda, WHATEVER MOVE Up to pro . All major sponsored cars, such as Quaker state, etc, MOVE UP TO PRO. Are you doing racing for a living? IS that considered PRO? Move up. Leave hot rod for the regulars and turn this back into a racer class, not a WHO HAS MORE MONEY class.

-rayray (VENTING )</TD></TR></TABLE>

well said...


Chris who will not be at work today, instead will be on h-t being lazy all day

 

8.4 at 180mph is the new record in hot rod class. 8.2 at 186 is the record in pro fwd. DOES SOMEONE SEE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS. I do . . . .

 

That's bullshit about moving corporate cars to Pro FWD Class...that would basically blow the chance of nailing a large sponsorship unless your in pro class in the first place...Catch-22.

Seriously, alot of you guys need to building Sport FWD Cars, not Hot Rod. Many of you will get eatten up even without Sequential Trannies. It's not even an issue unless your breaking a shitload of Stock ones.

Even the Laskey's aren't stripping gear-sets, not many teams are...there's only a handful. All these transmissions are doing is allowing the guys who are already at the top of the game compete w\ GM and Mopar and put a good show on.

Drag Racing, well racing in general is about money, plain and simple. All 4 Sanctioning Bodies have a class for Street Cars(Turbo4, Pro-Am, Sport FWD, Street Comp) Build a car for those classes, shoot for 9s and have fun.

Don't take loans out and go into debt to run a class that you will get destroyed in anyways...where's the fun in not qualifying or getting trailered after the first round?

Who ever said Hot Rod was a grassroots, backyard class? It was back in the day because Import Racing was in it's infancy...If this sport is to grow, more big money sponsors need to jump in. Not gonna happen if they can only sponsor cars in a handful of classes.

Suprdave

 

well.... i do feel that its sad that the hot rod guys are running WAAAAAAYYYYYY faster than the pro import cars. thats plain crazy right there. anyways, about the trannies.me for one don't approve of a $15k-$25k for a tranny in HOTROD class is a lil ludacris. seeings how the laskeys are asking $35k for their whole car. i honestly don't think that limiting everyones budget would be the best and greatest idea.you'll always have a "richie rich" type of kid out there thats willing to spend THEIR own money. i say welcome all sponsor wether it gm, mopar,SPRITE,NIKE... or whoever. but i think allowing after market trannies is a lil too soon in the game. especially now everyone is just getting their feet wet. i think they should allow aftermarket trannies to be used only from companies thats been around "making trannies" for 5 years oor more. like Quaife for example or even X-Trac.

 

But then again, with these tranny's the class is gonna be dubbed useless. they shouldnt even have a hot rod class, most big budget cars are running in the pro fwd time range anyways, so why not just kill the hot rod class alltogether? Whats the point.

 

i dont think the fuel is the problem when you have 15k shocks and springs. if you cant keep up with new technology than you should give up. or try make a new class with a limit on shocks transmission and electronics

 

The Quaife and X-trac stuff is all crap...that's the reason that the Pro-FWD guys are all running like ****. Oh yea, how you gonna run an X-Trac ona reverse rotation honda? Quaife has a shitty first gear and is bank...Those companies don't give a **** about american drag racing...those are road race trannies...Let the drag race companies make drag race trannies.

 

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Actually, ill stand up and tell everyone where Gary gets his money from...Plain and Simple......He works hard for it.........Beleive it or not, he is the first one at work, and the last one to leave..BUT that is not the point, so dont bring it up again....
As far as trannys, yes, it wil be interesting to see all the teams that will be using these trannys, but it will show whos wiling to swap trannys every run, and whos willing to sit back and rock a $25k tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's bullshit about moving corporate cars to Pro FWD Class...that would basically blow the chance of nailing a large sponsorship unless your in pro class in the first place...Catch-22.

Suprdave
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listen these cars are getting sponsor ships already and running almost .2 off the BEST times outa pro fwd. So why shouldnt they be in that class. Are they racing professionally , atleast of most of these guys are hired drivers just racing for a living, AKA pro, they should be in a pro class. Its almost getting to the point of **** just build a pro car, less competition in that class. There has to be some type of rule to weed out people from hotrod into pro. Or a new class setup in nhra for the medium, proam is a a good idea but wahts going to happen when we filter everyone to that class. big sponsors will drop people into that class because thats where the coverage will be and they will be dominating in that class. . .

-rayray

 

In a perfect world the Pro cars would get the big sponsorships and the Hot Rod cars would be next in line w/ the sport fwd cars getting the left overs.. But, thats just not how it is. Alot of people, including myself, would rather go to a race and watch the hot rod cars then watch the pro cars. The thing that makes import racing so great is that the spectators can relate to the cars on the track. hell, that is the reason u got so many little guys trying to build hot rod cars in the first place. cause they see it, and they are like, "hey, i could build that too." you don't see a pro car and think the same thing. What is happening right now is Sport fwd is taking the place of what Hot Rod was a few yrs ago. Hod Rod has turned into PRO and PRO needs to take steps forward but they are having a tuff time doing it. what they do not need to do is hold back hot rod guys or *shuv* them into pro. However, if u look at the hot rod class you got two groups of cars. you got the 9sec guys who are on gasoline and the 8sec guys who are on meth. Obviously meth needs some kinda weight penalty or something I agree w/ earl. it should be considered a power adder just like nitrous. As for the transmission's 15k, again i agree w/ earl on this, 15k that is 1/2-1/4 of the price to build 90% of the hot rod cars out there and it is just for the transmission. that is retarted, the price of the tranny should be in proportion w/ the price of the motor and the rest of the car. Until they make a transmission that is affordable to the class then it should not be aloud. my .02