Has anyone tried this conversion yet? If so.. got any details for those of us contemplating it?

 

i thought about getting the 90 Civic AWD hatch and somehow mating a B16A or B16B of some sort up to it lol

 

I believe the AWD cars use all CRV parts which are for the B series motors.

In one of the new SCC mag's a company is doing an AWD conversion and Larry from Import Auto Salvage is supplying all of the parts. If anyone has seen this article online please link it.

 

I don't think that is necessarilly true. The Accord I'm talking about was only in europe, and it was only produced for a couple years. Came with and H23 vtec, and AWD.

 

Find a link with the car and motor. If you are right, I will be very happy. To my knowlege, no one has done this conversion yet. I am sure with heavy fabrication, a lot of work, and money it can be done.

 

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No chance. There is no such model here in Europe.
pentaq

 

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No chance. There is no such model here in Europe.
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OWNED!!!! lol well that ends this conversation

 

there was a H23A3 in Europe, but it wasn't vtec. I have it in my car - same as regular h23

 

yes your're right. It was put in 1993 Accord SiR and Rover. No vtec. It's the same engine as H23A1/2. That's all
pentaq

 

You might be thinking of the H23A VTEC in the Accord SiR-T wagon. It had AWD but only came with an auto tranny.

 

"The following information was developed by Honda World News http://world.honda.com/news

- Automobile September 4, 1997 -

Honda Launches the 6th Generation Accord Series.

Tokyo, September 4, 1997 --- Honda Motor Co., Ltd. introduced today the 6th generation of its Accord series. The Accord Sedan was developed around the concept of an "advanced, sporty sedan," while the Accord Wagon concept was that of an "advanced, high-function specialty wagon." The line-up is further reinforced with the introduction of the Toreno, a new sister model to the Accord Sedan. All three models belong to a new generation of cars that boast a host of technologies to offer both a high level of environmental protection and superior driving pleasure. The Accord sedan will go on sale nationwide through Honda's Clio dealer network on September 5. The Toreno will be made available through Honda's Primo and Verno dealer networks on the same day. The Accord Wagon will follow on October 9 through Honda's Clio network.
Honda developed the New Accord Series to answer to societal concerns for environmental protection and safety while also providing enhanced driving pleasure through increased engine and chassis performance. Development also centered on a bold design statement with a very efficient and functional package offering high space utility within external dimensions best suited to Japanese roads. All these attributes go hand in hand with outstanding value for money.
Domestic Monthly Sales Plan (Total Accord Series): 9,000 units....

...1) Engine line-up

† 2.0-liter DOHC VTEC
Available in Accord and Toreno SiR sedans with automatic transmission, the newly designed high performance engine produces 180ps. When matched with a manual transmission as on the Accord and Toreno SiR-T sedans, this same engine is further tuned to produce 200ps.

† 2.0-liter VTEC
The VTEC mechanism in this engine only actuates one of the two intake valves at low-to-medium engine speeds for reduced fuel consumption at everyday driving speeds. At higher engine revolutions, both valves are actuated for added power. This engine is available in the Accord and Toreno in 2.0 VTS and 2.0 VTS 4WD grades.

‡ 2.3-liter VTEC
In view of how station wagons are used, this engine was given additional engine capacity and improved intake efficiency to produce generous amounts of torque at all engine speeds. The VTEC mechanism in this engine only actuates one of the two intake valves at low-to-medium engine speeds for reduced fuel consumption at everyday driving speeds while both valves are actuated for added power at higher engine revolutions. This engine is standard on all Wagon models.

† 1.8-liter VTEC
To the variable intake valve operation allowed by the VTEC mechanism already described above, this engine adds high-swirl combustion and air-assist mechanism to dramatically reduce both fuel consumption and carbon dioxide emissions while achieving high power output. This engine is available in the Accord and Toreno 1.8 VTS.

† 2.0-liter VTEC LEV
This engine is a further development of the base 2.0-liter VTEC engine, adopting a 600-cell catalytic converter for outstanding exhaust gas processing performance and a low heat mass pressed exhaust manifold for reduced exhaust heat loss through radiation. These and other measures combine to reduce emissions of carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), and nitrogen oxides (NOx) to one-tenth of present regulation requirements."

So, now that we have determined said car exists, anyone tried this conversion, as well as trying to make a MT out of it?


Modified by zer0gauge at 4:12 PM 10/16/2003


Modified by zer0gauge at 4:18 PM 10/16/2003

 

Hate to tell you, but those VTEC engines aren't "VTEC".. they are VTEC-e... the fuel efficent version also found on the Honda Civic HX here in the states. Below 2400 RPM's only one of the 2 intake valves open the full way, while the other only cracks open enough so fuel doesn't spool behind it. After 2400 RPM's both valves open the full way to give more power. This "full way" is the standard duration and lift for a Civic motor, not the VTEC duration and lift of the B series (as an example of the difference). For example, the 98 Civic HX produced 115 HP peak from the 1.6 liter D16Y5 motor using VTEC-e.. and I managed to routinely pull off 40+ mpg. The Civic LX of the same year also had 115 HP peak from the 1.6 liter D16Y7, which had no VTEC at all. The MPG rating was lower, as for highway driving both valves would open and not cause the swirl affect found with only 1 valve opening... though the gas difference in real world driving was pretty much nill, because to drive under 2400 RPM's in 5th you'd be going under or around 50 mph... and who the hell drives that slow on the highways??

 

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‡ 2.3-liter VTEC
In view of how station wagons are used, this engine was given additional engine capacity and improved intake efficiency to produce generous amounts of torque at all engine speeds. The VTEC mechanism in this engine only actuates one of the two intake valves at low-to-medium engine speeds for reduced fuel consumption at everyday driving speeds while both valves are actuated for added power at higher engine revolutions. This engine is standard on all Wagon models.
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Primo: how d'you know it's H series engine from this info?
Secundo: there was a H23 VTEC only in Japanese (not Euro) in Accord SirT as mentioned above
Tertio: there was a 2.3 liter VTEC engine in European Accord but it was F series engine SOHC... They started it in 2000 or 2001 I believe...

pentaq

 

It's the F23A VTEC SOHC 160ps that has the AWD system.

I don't have time to look this up for you guys but the H23A DOHC VTEC that was in the Sir Wagon was NOT AWD.


Only Accords with the F23a VTEC had that option...and likely the gearing is not that good anyway. I can look up more later. But trust me I know what I'm talking about.

 

http://www.hpoa.org


some ricer on there named hondaperson has it in his 4th gen lude, got it from hmotorsonline

 

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I don't have time to look this up for you guys but the H23A DOHC VTEC that was in the Sir Wagon was NOT AWD.


Only Accords with the F23a VTEC had that option...and likely the gearing is not that good anyway. I can look up more later. But trust me I know what I'm talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes i confirm, Euro Accords 4 cyl ES/EX have F series engines, and only the Euro Accord Type R has a H series engine, the H22A7. So any 2.3l found on an Euro Accord is a F23.

 

if it was AWD, it was automatic

 

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Ricer is an understatement. The kid acts like this thing cuts 10 second quarter mile passes.

http://www.hpoa.org/showthread.php?t=12412

 

I just responded there...

I'm convinced that guy has an H23 from europe that somebody did the frankenstein on. There are too many things about the H23 VTEC JDM motor that don't add up, the ecu tranny not to mention the electronic power steering would just not work.

 

Go check my reply Joel....its most definately a frankenstein. All resources on the internet show the H23A3 as 158PS and non VTEC most likely.

 

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Yeah I check all the sources too. The H23A VTEC would not work whatsoever..it's an s-matic so it would need it's own tranny controller comp and stuff.

And the part numbers are a dead giveaway. the H23 was out of commission for 3 years and when it came back it was an open deck totally new design.

 

Well, hmotors sold the H23 VTEC 4 or 5 months ago. I don't think they imported frankenstein motors from japan or europe.

 

The H23A VTEC was simply that, an H23A...I saw it myself when I went to pick up my H22A from Steve....it was NOT H23A3....the H23A3 has 158PS, not 200PS like the H23A.

 

My bad, I thought you were saying the H23 VTEC was not a production engine.

 

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No it is, just not in europe, here's a good site from Japan of an owner http://www.fsinet.or.jp/~hayasaka/accord.html