I have an eg with a b18c1 motor. I have AEM 3" intake, 5 zigen fireball exhaust, itr header. I have 2k to spend, I wanna hit 12's and around 200 - 210 whp. Is it possible with 2k. If it is How? If its not, whats the most I could make?andhow?

Thanks,
John

 

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why hit 12's? its nice to set goals...but sometimes you might want to do a little more research before setting a goal. not a lot of all motor hondas are in 12's. but anyways...w/ 2000, i'd say no. unless you did a small build up and went w/ N2o. if you wanna go all motor, i'd say go w/ skunk2 1 cams, a itr/ctr lsd which you can get for 300, valvetrain, and some other knick knack patty whack stuff...as long as you're not running big 18 rims, 3 12's or a big *** body kit, you'll have 13's for sure

 

$2000 will cover parts.

Skunk2 Stage 2 cams
Skunk2 valve springs reatainers
ITR intake valves
ARP head studs
Honda PCT pistons
ARP rod bolts
All new gaskets, timing belt, water pump, bearings, thrusts etc...

 

If you dont want to touch the bottom end:
itr valvesprings 100 maybe?
itr cams 300
GOOD header 800 ish (someone selling smsp used for 700 plus shipping)
headgasket 125
Vafc 200
Tuning 200
300 left over do maintencance get little things like an fpr and gauge maybe play around with your manifold hondata gasket or get a tb.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Milano &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$2000 will cover parts.

Skunk2 Stage 2 cams
Skunk2 valve springs reatainers
ITR intake valves
ARP head studs
Honda PCT pistons
ARP rod bolts
All new gaskets, timing belt, water pump, bearings, thrusts etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats a nice build up. but done waste your money w/ skunk2 stage II cams unless you're going to up the compression quite a bit. i had a long talk w/ the boys down @ skunk2 (conveniently the manufacturing facility is about 8 miles from my house) and the stage I cams are great, as are the stage II's...but w/ the stage II you're really gonna need high compression to realize the potential from the cams. thats why you see so many people selling stage II and getting I's.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MrSmith &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you dont want to touch the bottom end:
itr valvesprings 100 maybe?
itr cams 300
GOOD header 800 ish (someone selling smsp used for 700 plus shipping)
headgasket 125
Vafc 200
Tuning 200
300 left over do maintencance get little things like an fpr and gauge maybe play around with your manifold hondata gasket or get a tb.
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if you're gonna go w/ simple ITR cams, dont waste your money w/ an smsp, dtr, hytech or any of those headers...sure they're gonna make great power. but unless you're sleeved out to 2.0 liter, and making more than 220 hp, you're not gonna realize the full gains from them. instead, get a jdm 4-1 header or a similar header w/ a 2.5 collector, and spend the 400 u save on something else.

both are decent build ups... but i would go with this:
skunk2 stage I cams, get em used... - 500
cam gears - 200
wait for the aebs IM - around 170
fpr regulator n' guage - 70 bucks
jdm 4-1 header w/ flange n' donut - 400
hondata - 300
tuning - 300
itr/ctr lsd - ebay for 300

its a lil over 2000...but then again, some stuff u just need to get.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SimbaDogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
thats a nice build up. but done waste your money w/ skunk2 stage II cams unless you're going to up the compression quite a bit. i had a long talk w/ the boys down @ skunk2 (conveniently the manufacturing facility is about 8 miles from my house) and the stage I cams are great, as are the stage II's...but w/ the stage II you're really gonna need high compression to realize the potential from the cams. thats why you see so many people selling stage II and getting I's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey maybe you should read my post and see that I put PCT pistons down. You know what kinda compression that yields in a GSR motor? 12+:1. Now please try and tell me that's to low for Stage II's. I've done back to back testing and noticed in low compression apps the II's only make 3-4whp past 7000rpm but with higher compression you WILL notice larger diff. READ!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you're gonna go w/ simple ITR cams, dont waste your money w/ an smsp, dtr, hytech or any of those headers...sure they're gonna make great power. but unless you're sleeved out to 2.0 liter, and making more than 220 hp, you're not gonna realize the full gains from them. instead, get a jdm 4-1 header or a similar header w/ a 2.5 collector, and spend the 400 u save on something else.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not going to realize full gains huh. Well both the SMSP and Hytech have been dyno proven over 20whp on a BONE STOCK ITR. Nothing else, but you're right I wouldn't waste my money.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Milano &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hey maybe you should read my post and see that I put PCT pistons down. You know what kinda compression that yields in a GSR motor? 12+:1. Now please try and tell me that's to low for Stage II's. I've done back to back testing and noticed in low compression apps the II's only make 3-4whp past 7000rpm but with higher compression you WILL notice larger diff. READ!

Not going to realize full gains huh. Well both the SMSP and Hytech have been dyno proven over 20whp on a BONE STOCK ITR. Nothing else, but you're right I wouldn't waste my money.


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is there a problem here? i hope you're not one of those HT people that think they can skool every damn person on the board. if i missed the part of your post where you mentioned the CTR pistons, I'M SORRY. no need to go **** about it buddy. and YES, i know the PCT pistons give you insane compression in the b18c1. so take it easy, cuz you have nothing to prove to me.
secondly...i post that the gains which would be made on that header on a basic b18c settup w/ just itr cams wouldn't be worth the price of an 800 dollar header like the smsp. firstly, how's the backorder time w/ the smsp? last i heard you couldn't just go pick it up @ your local "speedshop" and bolt it on. i think it was smsp that was making a cat back exhaust that was the proper length to fit the header because it is so long, otherwise he would have to modify the stock exhaust, which would be even more money spent to that would push him over his budget. but anyways, here's a few dynos comparing the smsp to other 2.5 collector headers out there...

those are great gains from the header...but then again, when taking a look @ the engine, its a b20 crvtec w/ 13:1 compression and jun III cams.

here's another dyno of a smsp against a jdm dc header. the gains are phenominal in the midrange, and great all across the board as well. at closer look, this is again a 2.0 liter
trust me, i'm not knocking the smsp its a great header. same goes for the dtr and hytech headers. by agruement was that instead of putting up that much cash for a smsp he could instead save the money and use it to other areas of the motor which needed a lil more care and attention (might wanna get a new ecu w/ those stage II's...or maybe some tuning, i think i'd rather do both of these than get the smsp and use a stock ecu) but anyways....i think i've chipped in my .02, bur milano...i'm not trying to come off as an *** or anything, but there's really no need to bust my chops as if i'm some kind of newb...cuz i'm certainly not

 

No problem at all, not trying to bust your chops. I know it was a simple mistake, and not everyone's perfect. I didn't mean to come off sounding like an ***. Basically all I was giving him was a really good way to spend $2000 if he wanted to. I threw it out there because I know for a fact you can buy all of that for around $1964.00 becaue I've priced it. So it was fresh in my mind.

However on the header side, here my point of view and this goes with a LOT of things. I knwo some people are very indecisive, especially car enthusiasts. My point of view when it comes to cars however is have a plan, know what you want to do with the car ahead of time. That way you do everything right the first time and there only is a first time. No going threw 3 differnt exhausts, 2 headers, 3 sets of cams etc... The best thing about all the top brand headers on the board is they crush the aftermarket stuff even on a stock car. If you know you plan on building a nasty all motor car or atleast something to the tune of over 200whp, then why not? I mean why spend 300-400 on a DC or JDM 4-1 when you know you will want to upgrade in the future? Same thing goes with anything. I think it boils down to impatience. I think that's why people throw a stage 2/3 cam on a stock motor or they listen to all the stuff flying around HT and buy a stage 1 cam for their stock motor "like they should" but then get the cash to build the block and have to upgrade, where if they had a little patience they could of done it all right the first time. I dunno maybe i'm just crazy.

Have a man.

 

yeah...i totally agree with you. there are a lot of people that dont do any research when buying parts for their car, they simply impulse buy as if they were getting a pair of shoes. but in most cases these initial buys aren't really the first ones. me for example, i have a b16 w/ mild mods as of now. when i got my exhaust piping done (es oval muffler spray painted black...more of a sleeper look :D) the guy was like, are you sure you want 2.5? thats probably gonna take away a lot of your low end torque. i knew it was going to, but the fact is i plan on sleeving the motor in the future to make it a 1.8 (or maybe buying a gsr block and having a 2.0) having high comp pistons, and high lift cams. so the motor was going to need to exhale a lot of air. but anyways, thats just me...but the fact of the matter is lots of people dont do too much research about stuff before they get it. if i where going to get a smsp, hytech or dtr header...i'd love to see them weld the mounting points for a heatshield on. right now i have the jdm 4-1 header w/ heatshield...i love that extra stock look, plus if i get pulled over by CHP or sheriff (I know if he has to deal w/ this too) i want them to see a "stock" b16 under the hood. having a modded motor here in southern cali, even if they are all legal mods, grabs too much attention, and these cops that "are the law" rather than inforcing the law like to bust chops. anyways, i'm goin off on a tangent, time to cut it short...

 

you're saying that he can hit 200ish whp with SK2I cams? I'm interested in how that is done with a GSR motor.... I've seen one first hand that would prove other wise.. so I'm curious here.

Milano- Good setup for the price, perhaps a setup from EF-1 would yeild similar or better results for about the same cost?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by advanracing62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're saying that he can hit 200ish whp with SK2I cams? I'm interested in how that is done with a GSR motor.... I've seen one first hand that would prove other wise.. so I'm curious here.

Milano- Good setup for the price, perhaps a setup from EF-1 would yeild similar or better results for about the same cost?</TD></TR></TABLE>
gsr motor w/ skunk2 cams...200 whp, definetly possible. its all a matter of the settup and the tuning thats done w/ the motor. then again, peak hp means shiet to me, i'd rather have a more meaty curve than peak hp. (remember guys...peak hp is great to brag about, but its the area under the curve that gets ya movin )

 

where are my rods john???

 

still waiting on the $50 n fuel rail john.

 

damn how many of u peeps got scammed by this guy?