Just as the topic says. Should you gusy be worried about the Lancer and it's VTEC like MIVEC system.


The Lancer Ralliart boasts a new MIVEC Variable Valve Timing System and 176 horses (100 less than the Evo) and an 18k Price tag. The syling, looks a little remiscent of the current EVO, and should carry over to the base Lancer for 2004. Don't confuse this with that Oz Rally Lancer crap this car is more along the lines of the Base DC5 and EP3, maybe even the Type S.

The MIVEC systems helps it get it's 176 bph. This is how it's done

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Similar to Honda's VTEC system, MIVEC employs separate cam profiles for low and high engine speeds. But whereas VTEC uses two distinct cam profiles, MIVEC uses three—a high-lift, high-speed profile and low- and mid-lift, low-speed profiles, which, according to Mitsubishi, better induce swirl in the cylinders for improved combustion and emissions. </TD></TR></TABLE>

There's also a 5 door sport back wagon version, but it won't have the same 5 speed manual as the sedan.

Well.. before I make this sound like a car review... what do you think... DC5/EP3 Chalenger... or another Lancer Oz Rally

 

VTEC OWNZ. I think honda motors will still destroy it. Just my opinion though.

 

I think these Lancer need to take on the Mazdaspeed Protege first before it even reach the DC5 type-s.

 

Well first honda, then toyota, now Mitsu is the third japanese company to come out with such a system. Only 12 years after honda too - better late than never .

Honestly though, I'm not worried considering that Honda already has the next generation of sucha system in i-vtec form.

BTW, who is the guy that invented vtec? I saw an add for Mivec in C&D and I though the man behind that might have been the same engineer who worked for honda. ANyone know?

 

There really isnt a single person who invented v-tec. Honda announced back in 1982-84 that they would dump millions of dollars into research of what they believed would help enhance performance on low and high end yet stay fuel efficient and a long lasting engine.

That car look a little big. Sure their numbers are a little higher but nothing to be worried about. Nissan claims their 4 cyl altimas have 175hp as opposed the the accords 160, as well as their 245hp v6 vs hondas 240 yet honda in both engine classes beat it from 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile.

 

[QUOTE=piotrush]Well first honda, then toyota, now Mitsu is the third japanese company to come out with such a system. Only 12 years after honda too - better late than never .
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well actually mitsu will be the 5th now to actually bring it to the states. honda, toyota, nissan, subaru then mits.

and yes sub does have variable valve timing with thier STI.

and who cares almost every single car has some sort of valve timing, domestics and imports, and when we are talking luxury cars, i.e. porsche, ferrari, etc not only have valve timing, but cam timing as well.

and hyundai cars now have valve timing as well, but then again they go along with mits engines.

 

daewoo even has its own version of variable valve timing...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by piotrush &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well first honda, then toyota, now Mitsu is the third japanese company to come out with such a system. Only 12 years after honda too - better late than never .</TD></TR></TABLE>

All those (Japanese) carmaker had "vtec system" for long time.....they just didn't bring it to our mkt like Honda did.

"vtec" is not a new toy or selling point anymore.....it just like HID you see in almost every car now. IMO

 

ummm.. ford focus = variable valve time and lift etc. aswell

 

ehhh...i wouldnt worry about that car...i guess they just made that for people who couldnt afford the evo

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WR03Evo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ehhh...i wouldnt worry about that car...i guess they just made that for people who couldnt afford the evo </TD></TR></TABLE>


HAHAHAHA
So very true.

 

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BMW was the first automotive company to create the system.

 

i disagree, BMW and Honda developed theres about the same time. but, Honda was able to obtain a patent though and BMW paid to have the rights to use/market vanos. vanos did not come out until 1993. Porsche's variocam came out in 1997 with the boxster. when Honda's patent ran out a few years ago, everyone was ready to market theirs after they pretty much copied Honda's version. i think Mercedes is one of the few companies that is not using it. but, they have some other alternatives. vtec may not be a selling point anymore, but a Honda engine is still a selling point.

 

I thought porsche created vtec and then honda bought this system from porsche, i remember reading from s2ki.com i think if i recall correctly
also only time will tell on the ralliart

 

isn't it sharing the tranny from the evo?

 

I'm not worried about that car. But what's up with mitsu. new line of cars, with the pontiac grill look, yuck... nasty

 

it uses the an Evo tranny linkage and clutch... that's all I know.

Ermm.. I don't know what the Pontiac Grill looks like soo I'm not going to go there. The thing about this Lancer is, that it's better than the enconobox base Lancer ES and better than the wanna be racer Oz Rally. You could probably squeeze a lot of performance out of this car with a turbo, headers, exhaust, intake.. etc.

Glad to hear that DC5/EP3 owners aren't worried though.

 

have you seen the new pontiac commercial where the dude is making fun of someone driving a lancer and then blows by him. gotta love supercharged pushrod american v6's with a suspension to match.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much did they pay you to come to Honda Tech and advertise a Mitsufreakinbishi?



The answer is no, I am not worried. Especially since none of us street race.

Maybe the Mitsufreakinbishi should worry about the old bald retired guy in the 220 HP ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sick em. lol yea I would say there is no competition yet. Who cares if it has something like vtec or not, its still a MItsubishi. When I head the Lancer was coming to America I flipped I was happy but then when they gave us this piece of crap I was sad. Vtec still ownz jO

 

Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »
How much did they pay you to come to Honda Tech and advertise a Mitsufreakinbishi?
( i dunno how 2 quote)


they paid him forty-seven dollars and 83 cents


and on a serious note i dont think we will have to worry about this lancer


Modified by 88lsteg at 4:04 AM 10/16/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe the Mitsufreakinbishi should worry about the old bald retired guy in the 220 HP ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Theres always bigger and better...that ITR should worry about the 271 HP Evo

 

what? me worry?

 

mitsubishi's attempt at beating the ek civic vti a while ago didn't work with the mirage cyborg, it had a slighty higher power ouput than the honda b16a and despite weighting less the civic still beat it in a straight line, and when they raced the cars on a track the civic won by a long way...i can't find the link to the website i read it on, i think it was an article from TOV but looked like a pretty even test using racing drivers and decent timing gear on a track...

 

mazdaspeed protege runs 15.0 stock, rsx s 15.3.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhosITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think these Lancer need to take on the Mazdaspeed Protege first before it even reach the DC5 type-s.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you mean the Type S needs to worry about the MazdaSpeed Protege ...it is the fastest slalom FWD in the market at the time ....

alot faster than the DC5-s ....