alright well a buddy and i just finished a clutch and fly. install and now the car wont go into gear when it is turned on. however when it is turned off, it will go into gear
please help

 

also, the car will not move if the car is off and i have the clutch pressed in and the car in gear. please help

 

Bent forks? I dont know man, I'm stumped? Was it fine before the install?

 

did you flush the tranny fluid? You need to do that when u change a clutch. And when u change the tranny fluid...the car has a tendency to not want to go in gear...kinda just gotta muscle it in and push the fluid around in the gear box.

 

This is my car we are talking about. It was fine before the install. Ok when we put the slave cylinder back in the push rod was just dangaling in the lil rubber boot. Is that supposed to happen when the slave piston is unbolted to the tranny?? Also when we bolted the slave cyclinder back into the tranny the pedal felt very mushy, so we decided to bleed the clutch line, When I opened the cover for the master cyclinder the fluid was very black, when before the install it was light yellow color like it is supposed to be. What can this be? Can it be that when we pused the slave cylinder back in, it pused old fluid into the line and cause air to be trapped?? Any help is appericiated. TIA

 

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Yeah we flused the tranny fluid. The car goes into gear when the car is off. But if I turn on the car in neutral and try to put 1st in it starts to push the car forward, but doesnt go into gear at all.

 

Anyone?

 

did the release arm maybe pop off the ball inside the bell housing?

maybe it is actually never in gear.

i dont understandy why it would be different when running vs not running there really isnt anything i can think of that would make it any different.

pull the boot back on the slave cylinder and make sure its enguaged properly with the arm.
Make sure it moves when you push the clutch pedal.

 

Well The difference between the car being on and not is that you can switch gears with out the clutch pedal being pressed in when its off, but when the car is on and the pedal is pressed in it does not get into gear at all....and if you try to force it, the car will try to move forward. I think it can be that the clutch line has to be bled, cause at first when i pressed the clutch it was very mushy, then we bled the line and it got a lil better not but like stock, it was still kind of mushy right at top and then would get a lil harder. The stock was a much more solid feel, and this clutch should even be harder cause its a Heavy dutty PP. Anyone have any imput on this?? Any special techniques to bleed the clutch, or to get rid of the air??? TIA

 

how are you bleeding the clutch? gravity or suction? either way i dont think this is the result of the clutch needing to be bled, because you said you have already bled and flushed the tranny. the other question is can you get into any other gear? try and see if you can get into 2nd or reverse...etc.

 

we did not bleed the clutch properly. instead of using a hose that goes from the slave cylinder nipple all the way to the bottom of a bucket filled with some brake fluid. since we did not have a long enough hose(it was really late and nothing was open) we used a short hose, then put a funnel under the end of the hose and the funnel poured into a bucket. do you guys think that thise is the problem? maybe air is getting into the line through the end of the short hose since it is not submerged in brake fluid? thanks for all the replies, keep them comming

 

A similar thing happened to RFever on a track day about a year ago. Obviously this is different since you had the tranny open and Merv was just driving, but he had the exact same symptom- as you try to get the car into gear while it's running, it starts to move the more you push it in.

His clutch turned out to be f'd, but if I recall correctly, bleeding the clutch helped. You may try to PM him and ask about it.

 

my previous car had a cable clutch so i never had to deal with bleeding the clutch, but now i do. i used the gravity method and no metter what i did there were still thousands of little bubbles comming out of the slave cycl, but after the bleeed the clucth felt great. but still i f=dont think it would prevent you from getting into any gear. again try and see if you can get into any of the other gears. if you can then there might be bigger problems then just air in the line...if that is the cause.

 

We have bled the clutch line many times. We have been doing the pumpx3, hold, open the slave cylinder, then close it again. The clutch has gotten a lil better but its still feels very mushy. I doesnt have that stock solid feel and it still doesnt go into any gears because the clutch isnt disengaging. My friend thinks its the slave cylinder that has gone bad when we took it out the tranny. What do these syntoms sound like to you guys??? I just bought hand held bleeder pump in hopes that it will do a better job of bleeding the clutch then the other meathods. PLEASE any help is appreciated. TIA

 

well...i just replaced my clutch for a popped spring in the clutch disc. Same symptoms as u...clutch inching forward as if it's an automatic...the harder you push the faster it inches.

 

push in the clutch and have someone look at the clutch fork and make sure it's actually moving.

 

if you want to see if the slave cylinder is working, remove it, remove the rubber boot that covers the fork and slave cylinder rod, reinstall, then you can see your fork move. If it moves, slave is fine.

bleeding it won't help your problem, you describe a clutch that is not working at all. Even lines with air in them will activate the clutch.

I'd find a helms, and think back on the installation. Sounds like you installed the fork or throwout bearing incorrectly. Do you remember which way you installed the disk?

It's got to be the throwout bearing or fork.... Good luck, but it looks like you're dropping the tranny again.

 

Well there is only one way to really install the throw out bearing, and i remember that was done right. The way we have been bleeding was my friend would pump and hold the clutch and I would open the line and close it again.
Also before we installed the slave cylinder back on the tranny, The push rod was all the piston was all the way out and the push rod was just dangling. We just pushed the piston back in and we installed it. After we did that I went to the master cylinder and opened the top and the fluid was very black, when before the install the fluid's color was clean. What can that mean??? Also the slave cylinder pushes the fork but i dont think it does it enough...and when I pump the pedal all the way down, a squeek comes for the fork area. Thanks for the replies

 

I agree that it would be very difficult to install the throw out bearing incorectly, however the arm could easily be dislodged. The little spring retainer is pretty easy to have come off.

i would start there.

 

I agree that the problem is most likely in the T.O. bearing and/or fork.

You should do the test mentioned above...have someone pump the clutch and see if the slave cylinder moves. That will narrow you problems down some.

 

Christian, Check PM.

I highly doubt the fork was dislodged from the bearing. If it is, you have to remove the entire transmission, again. (I do not know of a way you can pop it back on from the outside)

What I REALLY think it is, is that you did not bleed the clutch enough. A friend of mine spent literally 10 minutes bleeding the clutch before the pedal felt fine. Good luck.

 

keep us informed.

y0!

 

Thanks for all the replies guys. Last night I took off the slave cyclinder so I can take off the rubber boot. I then reassembled everything back. I had someone press the clutch pedal and the slave cyclinder works fine. The problem I saw is that the release fork is almost at the end of its travels by the time it hits the pressure plate. Im thinking either the thow out bearing is not on right or the release fork is not on right. Someone was telling me the pressure plate and be bad too. Its all brand new stuff so i dont know. But i do no that when I was moving the release fork by hand, It was just touching the pressureplate, when at that point the clutch should be disengaged.....I also bought a handheld vaccum pump to bleed the clutch and it still felt the same. What do you guys thing? TIA

 

Was the fork at all touching the opening of the tranny case?

Just pull the trans again man, there's nothing more you can do from the outside. Man the **** up and get that **** done.

 

unfortunately that is what we are going to do. thanks everyone for your patience and information. we will let you guys know what the prob. is when we put the tranny back in.