specs to cut the sleeves and install them into the block. is this true. i am not going to send my block to rs machine under any circumstances they are not careful enough. the machine shop up the street from my apartment can do darton so i might have to do that but damn i want the exospeeds.

 

careful who you get to do Dartons, they can destroy your block or fuckup the sleeve install..

Never had a problem with Goldeneagle :-)

 

thanks for the reply, this place has done 99% of the darton stuff in kansascity and they are very good, but i still want the exospeed so if anyone has installation specs send em my way

 

why dont you ask exospeed your self?? hes on this board....

 

http://www.hondaraceengines.com

e-mail brad. he can do sleeves with no worries involved

 

[QUOTE=dilsnickracing] i am not going to send my block to rs machine under any circumstances they are not careful enough. [QUOTE]

damn i had my block sent to them for my sleeve job

can anyone shed some more light on RS machines and their work

 

RS Machine is excellent no need to worry

 

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i just re-evaluated all my original homework in the archives
and after reading it, im once again confident that they will do an excellent job.
i was getting a little worried when i came across this thread

 

Ive used RS on one of my blocks and had no problems with it. I actually over boosted on it and melted all of the pistons and the block still held up. They are good!

So is Bensons, my new block was done by them and I still havent had any problems. Although I couldn't use a stock headgasket with the Bensons piece (tried and had some coolant pushing), and I did with the RS??? Dont know why , but those are the facts. The Cometic HP gaskets are the ****!

 

Hey Cary,
I met you and your brother at Route 66 and we all chatted for quite awhile on Saturday. My friend Dave and I are working on an H22 turbo hatch we were telling you about. I spoke to your brother Jason, mostly.

The problem with these sleeves is that they did not cut in the flat sides, where 1:2 cylinders, 2:3, and 3:4 meet. All four are completely round. These sleeves are not finished at all. It would have been nice to know this up front by them. I could buy the Darton sport sleeves for basically the same price, gotten finished sleeves with specs.

I have a shop that can install them, but this is an unfinished sleeve in my opinion.

Secondly, I have referred two people to RS for the work to be done, by the referrals on here and from Mike Laskey. Both blocks were not delivered in the time promised, given the runaraound, and after a whole summer of missed racing one of the blocks is back there still. It's been returned twice now. Needless to say, I am not impressed by their quality of work yet.

 

Totally understandable. I didnt directly deal with RS, my cylinder head guys got the block from there. The Bensons block and the block from RS were done completely different,but both seemed effective. The bensons block has flat sides on the sleeves, the RS didnt, but both held together.

O yeah, I was good talking to you at Route 66 and good luck with your car

 

rs machine = in my opinion. im very dissappointed with exospeed and will, although a very very nice guy he didnt tell me the sleeves could not be installed in my town even though i told him that i was having a local shop do the work. his reply to that was no problem. i will never do business with exospeed again. very sneaky will

 

I wouldnt let anyone that hasn't successfully installed sleeves do the work. My first block I had sleeved, I had very reputable domestic machine shop locally installed them. When I got the engine back together and started it up, it was immediately leaking water. Just be careful with local guys (if they havent already done these for ALUMINUM blocks)

 

http://www.hondaraceengines.com

 

maybe you guys need to do your homework....EXOSPEED SLEEVES ARE RS SLEEVES.

 

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i dont know why you are giving RS a thumbs down. RS is a completely different company than exospeed. if u are unsatisfied with exospeed give them a thumbs down not RS.

 

rs machines rules

 

rs sleeves work flawlessly.

 

exospeed sleeves are sold to:
1. individuals that know machine shops that are qualified to install sleeves on their own and do not require us to teach them on how to do it.
2. machine shops that know the process of installation of Sleeves.

exospeed sleeves are made the way they are because the installer may have their own specs that they like to use. or they would like to try their own different ways of installation. We chose to have it universal to please everyone. If they were pre-cut or pre-honed, etc.. then it limits the possibilites of using the sleeves.

We do a good number of built blocks and sleeving service(through RS). If a customer would like to purchase the sleeves, we are more than happy to provide it under the condition that they know a qualified machinist. If not, WE highly recommend or actually insist to have it installed by RS since they know what they are doing. and in no way I am meaning to be sly or anything like that...

RS Machines is a great company and does EXCELLENT work. We are separate companies and if any of our customers have a comment towards us, then direct it to us. We don't want any beef here... as much as it is business, we want our customers to turn to us as friends and fellow racers.
dont' be a stranger at the track ok.. say hi... just dont beat me up.

 

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the problem isn't that local machine shops can't do the work, i think it's more or less the problem that when they see the sleeve and see the amount of work required to cut flats in the sleeve(calculations etc.) the job ends up being pricier than if you were to just have exospeed have the block done for you. i had this same problem initially as the local guy wanted to charge me more than exospeed charges for the entire sleeve job, after i had already purchased the sleeves seperately from exopseed. it would have been nice if i would have known all this information initially about the sleeves, but i had to learn the hard way i suppose. i agree that the sleeves essentially aren't finished as say others perhaps, and do agree that wil should probably encourage people to not buy the sleeves seperately but should offer it more as a service and explain why it's best to do it this way. the only thing lost for me at this point is time as i wanted to have my motor running about a month ago, but am now eagerly awaiting for my block to be finished and returned with confidence that i will have no issues with the block and the sleeve job.

 

I'd have to say I give RS for some of the work they have done and are still working on for my friends, and a to Exospeed for not giving full disclosure about the product they are selling.

I completely understand your side Will, just let this post be a warning to others out there about them. Our machine shop here in town has probably done 20 darton sleeved blocks, with no issues whatsoever. Dilsnickracing and I were hoping this would be a cheaper alternative than puchasing the Darton closed deck sleeves or even their sport sleeves, and would have probably even purchased more of them in the long run had they been cut flat between the cylinders. Unfortunately we won't be due to the previous stated issues.

I am kind of curious what other machine shops design would be with these sleeves? Mathematically, I don't think you can cut the flat spot different, otherwise the cylinders would be off from the crank. Could you please enlighten me how my sleeves could possibly end up any different than your sleeves Will?

 

I don't get why you guys are all getting mad and putting wil and his company exospeed down. You knew what you guys were getting yourselves into. I have something I say to everyone, "You get what you pay for." When you guys are buying sleeves thats what you're getting. I've purchased completely done blocks and purchased just sleeves, didn't have a problem with either. All depends on who you got doing the machine work for you. But you guys were being cheap and decided to get the sleeves only instead of having wil get the block completely done by rs. So just deal with it and quit whining about putting wil and expspeed down.

 

whooo!!!!! preach.....

 

I'm not whining, just letting the truth be told.

Didn't know that the sleeves would have to be finished before being installed. So no, I didn't know what I was getting into. Will simply stated if the shop knows how to install them, its no problem. He never mentioned that the shop would need to finish up the sleeves before installation.

I wasn't being cheap either, I'm not satisfied with RS's work and don't want my block messed up by them or the long delay they may cause.

 

no boostedhb we didnt know what we were getting into thats what this whole post is about if you could ******* read you would see that thank you for wasting a post with your ignorance i also said i would not send my block to rs in a previous post again read before you open your mouth. anyway, i do realize rs machine and exospeed are two different companies. thank you very much for bringing that up of course im going to be mad i was misled. why is exospeed being **** about the giving up the specs to cut the the sleeves if you buy a vcr shouldnt they give you the ******* instructions. oh no wait you only bought the 175 dollar vcr not the 200 dollar one.