May be movin out to Arizona or the west coast for college and had a discussion with my friend. I told him id pick up a brand new 600 for canyon carving if I went out there, but he told me why get a 600 the 1000s are just as light now (he rides a gixxer 1k).

He is right about that, so besides the fact that a 1000 has more torque comin out of a turn what would be the disadvantage of owning one of them, considering they are more fun to ride especially on straight aways. Fill me in, thanks.

 

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He is right about that, so besides the fact that a 1000 has more torque comin out of a turn what would be the disadvantage of owning one of them
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and more torque coming out of a turn is not a disadvantage.

if i remember right the weight difference was only about 60 pounds or so from a gixxer 600 to a 1k(or was that from a 6-750)
the lighter weight will be easier to toss around in the turns for the 6, but with proper corner setup and technique you can easily throw around the new 1k's aslo. i'd get one over a 6 any day.

just go on a lil diet drop 10-15 pounds off your body and voila there ya go. hahaha.

 

The weight difference is really small between them. The 600 will flick easier but I really love the gixxer1. More power is good _IF_ and thats a big if, you can control it. New riders crash their bikes a lot because they get on the throttle too hard in a turn and brake the tires loose and dont have enough experience to fight their safety reaction to stay on the throttle and let physics correct the problem. If you have to think about it get the 6.

 

Well, assuming you have sufficient experience (judging from your sig, it looks like you've made some good choices in bikes before ), then there should be no real problem with getting a liter bike, besides insurance.

The liters might be almost the same weight, but they're still a little heavier. I think the newest issue of Sport Rider has their annual Bike of the Year competition (this time with only three bikes!) between the RC51, Gixxer 1k, and R6. The R6 and Gixxer were pretty close, with the RC51 a distant third. Given equal riders, the R6 is more agile in the corners whereas the Gixxer is more of a point-and-shoot bike. You could generalize this to the rest of the middleweight/liter-bike contingent.

So, if the power is intoxicating to you, and you don't mind sacrificing a little agility in the twisties, then go for the liter bikes. Just make sure you've got the dough for the insurance and speeding tickets.

And might I suggest getting a Honda CBR1000RR? This IS Honda-Tech, after.

 

I'm not an expert in this area, but isn't there some sort of gyroscopic effect with bigger engine components, which makes it harder to steer a bike with bigger engine vs a smaller egine one?

 

my 954 was way easier to ride in the canyons than my f4i.

 

ok, In my eyes, I have rode both into the turns hard. My bike takes alittle more to pull down. Coming out of a turn on a 1000 is fun cause it just pulls you out of it. Now, I have out turned 600s before and on a 600 I have out turned 1000s. I think that the difference between the two (in the turns now, not coming out of the turn) is going to hard to see a difference. In theory, a 600 will beat a 1000 in the turns. But the bike is only as fast you the rider is.

 

transition speed, longer wheelbase to deal w/ the tendency to power wheelie as opposed to a 600. Also there is the weight difference you'd expect. It used to be all lower, but recently the manufacturs have been good about raising the center of gravity in line w/ the extended wheelbase. Using the gix1k as an example, it is a much improved very nimble literbike but if you compare it to an equally advanced supersport it cannot hang in a tight series. This however does not mean it cannot make it up in the first 30 yards coming out of the tight circuit. And we're not talking any measurable difference on the street. It really depends on what you want to get from canyon carving. I prefer to improve as a rider as well as the euphoric feeling that comes after hitting a set perfect. On the street this also includes a safety margin as well as slower entry speeds and faster exit speeds. Everytime I decide against a literbike as a streetbike it comes down to this... "If I push even 8/10ths on the street, I'm going to jail." whereas pinning my corner exit on a supersport may only land me in "3 point" territory. Course you have to be smart about things. You can easily get in enough trouble w/ a 250. Remember that riders will tell you this or that. Take it for what its worth, few riders have the luxury of owning both competitive 600 and 1000cc bikes. Hence there will be a bias. I like riding my 600s but I'll be glad to admit that given all the same conditions, the gsxr1k is faster unless of course you're talking tight cone slalom. I don't have much experience with any other late model literbikes but you can expect new zx10r, 1000rr and r1 to be more than competitive. One or more may even come close to running 600cc specs as the manufacturers continue to cut weight but unless they put out a wheelie monster, it'll never be the same. I think the kawasaki may run the most aggressive geometry.