2004 S2000 "Driven"

Date: September 27, 2003 17:31
Submitted by: Rush
Source: Automobile Magazine
Credibility Rating: 10

The November issue of Automobile Magazine features a short review of the 2004 Honda S2000 in the "Driven" section ("Honda S2000: Honda's roadster switches from crystal meth to caffeine"). Here are a few of the changes for '04. Note that despite an increase in displacement, the name remains the same.

-Displacement increases by about 200 cc to 2.2 liters (+/-)
-Horsepower is unchanged at 240, and comes 500 rpm sooner at 7800
-Torque increases from 153 to 161, and is produced at 6500 rpm versus 7500 rpm
-Redline is now 8000 rpm, down from 9000 rpm
-Bigger wheels and tires: 215/45R-17 front, 245/40R-17 rear (versus 205/55R-16, 225/50R-16
-Weight up 24 pounds, due to larger wheel/tire package
-Gears one through five are now lower, but no discernable change according to author, Joe DeMatio
-"The new S2000 now launches with considerably more verve, and its power band is more flexible between 1000 and 5000 rpm. The car is also more civilized on the highway, partly as a result of a slightly higher sixth-gear ratio." But, "The new S2000 still lives for track time."
-Minor interior revisions include revised, thinner door panels to allow for more elbow and shoulder room, fake aluminum trim, and a 100% increase in the number of cup holders (to two)

 

why'd they have to change it...

 

i dont know....

I guess you cant call it the high revving rwd car any more...the ITR out revs is...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont know....

I guess you cant call it the high revving rwd car any more...the ITR out revs is...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont quit agree with that, yes the itr now out rev's it however there is almost a half liter of displacement difference between the two engines. It still revs pretty damn high.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I dont quit agree with that, yes the itr now out rev's it however there is almost a half liter of displacement difference between the two engines. It still revs pretty damn high. </TD></TR></TABLE>

true...

 

i think this new motor might be like going from a B16 to a B18C.

 

And it's not like you can't run a chipped ecu and cams to make power over 8k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-Displacement increases by about 200 cc to 2.2 liters (+/-)
-Horsepower is unchanged at 240, and comes 500 rpm sooner at 7800
-Torque increases from 153 to 161, and is produced at 6500 rpm versus 7500 rpm
-Redline is now 8000 rpm, down from 9000 rpm
-Bigger wheels and tires: 215/45R-17 front, 245/40R-17 rear (versus 205/55R-16, 225/50R-16
-Weight up 24 pounds, due to larger wheel/tire package
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JMS TT....if this is true, then all the info i had was pretty much right.

 

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JMS TT....if this is true, then all the info i had was pretty much right. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your point? Cookie?

 

choc chip be nice. You were just so quick to say i was wrong in the other thread, and everything, down to the wheels weighing more was correct, thus proving that some sources are better then others

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Note that despite an increase in displacement, the name remains the same. </TD></TR></TABLE>

According to Honda, the 2000 in "S2000" had nothing to do with the displacement of the engine, but actually with the year they released the car. The previous S cars from the 70's (I think 70's) were a different matter though.

 

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According to Honda, the 2000 in "S2000" had nothing to do with the displacement of the engine, but actually with the year they released the car. The previous S cars from the 70's (I think 70's) were a different matter though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It would be gay as **** if they changed the name to S2200.....thats getting into Domestic pickup truck models and ****...

 

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It would be gay as **** if they changed the name to S2200.....thats getting into Domestic pickup truck models and ****...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I completely agree... As far as I know, for as long as the car is continued, it will carry the name S2000.

 

so what do they run quarter mile now.....stock?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phaze2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">choc chip be nice. You were just so quick to say i was wrong in the other thread, and everything, down to the wheels weighing more was correct, thus proving that some sources are better then others</TD></TR></TABLE>

No. This is pointless. You said the wheels, the motor, etc. would weigh more. I did not say you were incorrect. I said you were assuming, it was not a proven FACT (look up the word) at that time.

Prove what? I don't see what the big deal is. Frankly I'm not concern about "who's sources" are better. Your sources were posted up on S2Ki by someone else. I saw them as well. It's not about I'm right and you're wrong, neener neener. How childish.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2004 S2000 "Driven"

Date: September 27, 2003 17:31
Submitted by: Rush
Source: Automobile Magazine
Credibility Rating: 10

The November issue of Automobile Magazine features a short review of the 2004 Honda S2000 in the "Driven" section ("Honda S2000: Honda's roadster switches from crystal meth to caffeine"). Here are a few of the changes for '04. Note that despite an increase in displacement, the name remains the same.

-Displacement increases by about 200 cc to 2.2 liters (+/-)
-Horsepower is unchanged at 240, and comes 500 rpm sooner at 7800
-Torque increases from 153 to 161, and is produced at 6500 rpm versus 7500 rpm
-Redline is now 8000 rpm, down from 9000 rpm
-Bigger wheels and tires: 215/45R-17 front, 245/40R-17 rear (versus 205/55R-16, 225/50R-16
-Weight up 24 pounds, due to larger wheel/tire package
-Gears one through five are now lower, but no discernable change according to author, Joe DeMatio
-"The new S2000 now launches with considerably more verve, and its power band is more flexible between 1000 and 5000 rpm. The car is also more civilized on the highway, partly as a result of a slightly higher sixth-gear ratio." But, "The new S2000 still lives for track time."
-Minor interior revisions include revised, thinner door panels to allow for more elbow and shoulder room, fake aluminum trim, and a 100% increase in the number of cup holders (to two)
</TD></TR></TABLE>

ECU
Toda valve springs
Toda Cams

Quicker shtook than before
Lower redline If they are going to increase the displacement they should optomize the cams up top to take advantage of the increase

 

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ECU
Toda valve springs
Toda Cams

Quicker shtook than before
Lower redline If they are going to increase the displacement they should optomize the cams up top to take advantage of the increase</TD></TR></TABLE>

I assume the problem comes in with the fact that most people who own an S2K they dont keep it at higher than 8K...considering the majority of S2k owners probably arent big redline enthusiasts...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I assume the problem comes in with the fact that most people who own an S2K they dont keep it at higher than 8K...considering the majority of S2k owners probably arent big redline enthusiasts...</TD></TR></TABLE>

What makes you say that?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMS JT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What makes you say that?
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Because although it was orriented toward an enthusiasts market, not too many young people can afford to get the S2K. When I usually see an S2K on the street, its driven by a middle to older age guy...not by a 20-25 year old.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Because although it was orriented toward an enthusiasts market, not too many young people can afford to get the S2K. When I usually see an S2K on the street, its driven by a middle to older age guy...not by a 20-25 year old.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and almost everyone i see w/ an s2k drives sloooooow.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra-modder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Because although it was orriented toward an enthusiasts market, not too many young people can afford to get the S2K. When I usually see an S2K on the street, its driven by a middle to older age guy...not by a 20-25 year old.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Last year's national SOLO champ and the 3rd place guy were well over 20-25. In fact, many Auto-X/Road Race/Etc. guys are.

Not only do they are older, they drive faster and better.

I know a lot of younger guys driving 20-25 years old. Besides, 26, 27, etc. isn't really that old.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpooN Man &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And it's not like you can't run a chipped ecu and cams to make power over 8k </TD></TR></TABLE>

Please....

Name a tuner/manufacurer that has successfully produced a chip for the F20C ECU?

 

VAFC yo. Check it. (sarcasm)
Hondatec38 &lt; goes to pepboys to buy atezzas for his Mirage

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SergEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

ECU
Toda valve springs
Toda Cams

Quicker shtook than before
Lower redline If they are going to increase the displacement they should optomize the cams up top to take advantage of the increase</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh boy...if only it was that easy. They took a 2.0 liter motor and stroked it to 2.2. That screws with rod / stroke ratio. You can't keep the same redline due to.....

I'll leave it at that, you can probably find out the rest yourself.

 

Posted this up in MC...

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_co...42145

&lt;&lt;&lt;Then, oh man: Uehara nailed the throttle and wailed up through the gears, smacking redline in each one like he designed the whole thing.

"More torque," was all he said. &gt;&gt;&gt;

AND

&lt;&lt;&lt;He entered the very first turn, a long right-hand constant-radius sweeper, at what seemed like about 20 mph faster than we had been driving through it all morning—faster than anyone had ever driven through the thing ever for all we could guess. Who knew the S2000 could go this fast?


Then, in mid-turn, at what we had assumed was the limit of adhesion, Uehara lifted off the throttle and sawed the wheel back and forth a few times. Despite the new revised spring, damper and antiroll bar rates, increased body rigidity, enhanced suspension bushings and optimized rear toe settings, we expected to swap ends and start bouncing backward across the gravel runoff area, dust and rocks flying, lizards leaping, jack rabbits fleeing for their lives. But no, the S2000 just kept on gripping the hot pavement.


"Revised suspension means better control of lift-throttle oversteer," he said.

Then we remembered: Uehara was Uehara, the father of the S2000, the father of the NSX and the former chief engineer of the Honda F1 efforts. &gt;&gt;&gt;

Interesting read... I'm glad that "revised suspension" didn't end up meaning "softened for the secretary class" like a lot of people (myself included) feared. I want one more than ever, now. I can do without the 9k redline...