Hi, new to this forum, been doing alot of research on turbo kits for the integra and was hoping to get some feedback. I'm not looking to get to crazy with it, this car is my daily driver, I just want something with a little motivation. I'd be happy with mid-high 13's at around 100 in the quarter, but I very rarely see people post times so I don't know if thats reasonable or not. Also I'm looking for fastest spoolup possible.

Right now I'm considering the TSI Extreme kit, Hondata, ~450cc injectors and a fuel pump. Anyone running the TSI kit? I also looked at the greddy, revhard, and drag kits but the tsi seemed the best deal for the money.

Is there anything else out there for fuel management besisdes the hondata? Seems a little overkill for my goals.

Anything else I need, anything there I don't need?
Thanks,
Tom

 

Reasonable goals. Don't hear much about TSI, do you have the specs on that turbo handy? I've always been partial to Greddy kits. As to your question on engine management I think Hondata is a great value. I highly recommend it, particularly with boost. There's also AEMs EMS and Apexi has an engine management setup too. I believe both AEM and Apexi's solutions are even more involved and pricey than Hondata however.

 

Bear in mind also that if your bottom end is stock you won't want to get too crazy with the boost, unless forged pistons & rods are in your future. Good luck.

 

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disagree, have 2 friends, completely stock ls motors, hondata and 550's 20 psi, 300 hp, one went 11.4(swapped civic),the other went 11.8(swapped civic) and they drive the cars everyday....if your looking to just have some fun and not get to expensive get a drag or revhard kit, i went 13.1@104 with the drag kit on slicks
but then the tranny broke, and 3 of my friends went 12.4-12.7@103-104 mph with the revhard kit on slicks, stock injectors, running the vortech fmu, but im not to partial to those things cause there crap, since the drag kit ive upgraded turbo, downpipe, got tial wastegate and new,bigger intercooler with apex safc and 310 injectors and an adjustable jackson racing fmu,tuned the car with pump gas(93 of course) to 14 psi and my motor is completely stock, made 250 hp and went 13.5@109 on 9psi on street tires, havent ran on slicks for the past year and a half cause ive broke 2 more diffs and they get expensive, i run on street tires, i drive my car everyday and all turbo cars have occasional problems, but you have to deal with it, i say that the revhard kit is worth the extra money because of the power diference, but the dra kit is pretty descent when you can get them ***** on a group buy for like 2500 bucks, good luck man.........

 

&lt;sigh&gt; here we go with the "I got a friend..." stories. Good for them. Just the same 20psi on a stock block is not a good idea for a daily driver. If you have 2+ cars and can aford one to be down routinely then it may make more sense to push the limits.

 

Thanks for the replies guys. The TSI kit comes with a T25, for an extra 400 you can get a BB. I'm not sure how worthwhile that is.
http://www.prostreetonline.com...o.asp
This is the only info I have on the TSI kit so far. $2400 shipped

I don't plan on building this motor at all beyond this, I've got another money pit for that Hopefully I'll get it back on the road one of these days, but in the meantime I'd like something fun to drive everyday.

TimoneX - I had originally shied away from the Greddy kits since they didn't include an intercooler, and didn't have a kit specifically for the 95LS, but I've seen some info saying its just a simple issue of rewiring. The TSI still seemed cheaper, don't know whether that will screw me in the long run or not thoguh. Hopefully someone with experience with it will respond.

Thanks,
Tom

 

Yeah throw that question about TSI turbo kits at the boost junkies in the FI forum, I just have no experience with them. I believe Greddy does produce a kit with an intercooler. There are alot of guys that run them w/o however because it has a small turbo that spools quickly and doesn't generate huge boost. Intake temps are not astronomical even w/o an intercooler. I'll be the first one to admit that I'm not an FI expert however.

 

My advice is to piece together a turbo kit. I am in the process of doing it now. You can buy a new turbo and manifold, get your intercooler at a junkyard (30 bucks where i live) get the intercooler piping and your exhaust at the same time at a good local muffler shop, buy your boost, exhaust temp, oil temp gauges, and BOV from ebay (same with turbo and manifold) then get dsm 450cc injectors from an old eclipse (40 bucks) put the 1k resister in each wire, and run UBERDATA--FREE. That is what i am in the process of....i'm going to have my entire kit together, running 10psi on a stock ls for about 800 dollars. (I'm sure i left a few things out up there tryin to hurry thru) and i hope for 240 hp, 13.5 ish 1/4 mile.

 

The T25 is just too small. If you look at the compressor maps you'll be so far outside the efficiency window after 5000 that you'll be detonating, trust me.. i've seen it happen plenty of times. Its best to go with a Rev-hard kit which uses a T3/T4.. or you can build your own kit.

 

i would say do it yourself and get exactly wat you want instead of piecing one together...

 

ok i should have read that befor i hit the button wat i meant was piece one together and get exactly wat you want instead of setteling for a pre made kit..

 

94ls - thanks for the info about uberdata, i'm going to have to check that out a bit more. what did you get an intercooler out of that would fit? also why the 1k resistor on the dsm injectors?

The more I think about it the more I think this may be the way to go instead of a pre made kit. hmmm I wonder how my old GN turbo would fair on the integra. Usually this is more my style, but I was feeling kinda lazy about this project, and just kinda wanted a bolt on and go.

 

yeah bolt on and go would be nice but 1500$ dollars in the wallet is even nicer. For small amounts of boost like up to 12psi i would use an intercooler from a laser, eclipse, talon turbo or any junk yard turbo car you can find. I believe the eclipse family's intercoolers are pretty small...like 15" by 15" making it easier to hide them....if you dont want to show off your turbo

yes search UBERDATA on here and there is a huge thread with like 350 posts...very helpful

the resister on the dsm injectors is so it will not overload your ecu....i believe 1 k is right, search for dsm 450s on here and check that also...

 

Alot of these junkyard turbo projects end up being disasterous underhood eyesores that never run right. I've seen used kits around that were very complete and half the price of new. That maybe an option as well.

 

can anyone tell me how much better ball bearing turbos are and why they cost so damn much?

 

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If you buy a new or reconditioned turbo, and make sure your intercooler isnt smashed up, how could it be a disaster that never ran right? I dont understand? If you buy a POS turbo, then yes...or if you don't manage your fuel, then yes....but if you do it right and use common sense then i dont see the problem. but there are those people who think "right" is interchangeable with "a lot of money"

 

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If you buy a new or reconditioned turbo, and make sure your intercooler isnt smashed up, how could it be a disaster that never ran right? I dont understand? If you buy a POS turbo, then yes...or if you don't manage your fuel, then yes....but if you do it right and use common sense then i dont see the problem. but there are those people who think "right" is interchangeable with "a lot of money"</TD></TR></TABLE>

True, if everyone always made sense the way you are now, then there'd likely never be much of a problem, but just like a frankenmotor some people simply choose the quickest & dirtiest way of doing things and don't log the research time before spending $$$. Turbos poorly matched to engines & tranny gearing, leaks, and the worst and most common is probably lack of proper fuel management, which can lead to lots of wasted parts & $$$. While I don't suggest that a kit will make all your problems disapear there is a certain amount of research that goes into a well designed kit that prevent some of these problems from arising.

 

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True, if everyone always made sense the way you are now, then there'd likely never be much of a problem, but just like a frankenmotor some people simply choose the quickest & dirtiest way of doing things and don't log the research time before spending $$$. Turbos poorly matched to engines & tranny gearing, leaks, and the worst and most common is probably lack of proper fuel management, which can lead to lots of wasted parts & $$$. While I don't suggest that a kit will make all your problems disapear there is a certain amount of research that goes into a well designed kit that prevent some of these problems from arising. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes that is true, I guess you could say what you save in money from buying a complete kit you make up for in effort while doing the junkyard+pieces one. I guess it all depends on if you have the extra time/ patience or not.

 

I personally would suggest going with a making your own turbo setup. Just take the time to watch for good deals on parts like manifolds, BOV, and the like. You can save money and get a setup that is taylored to you needs. But as always, the key is instalation, tuning and matience.

 

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