i ran at the track for the first time last saturday. i had a good time but i was not happy with my times. it was a very cool dry day, about 50 degrees with a wind that blew in the direction that we were driving. i made about 9 runs, and this was my best:

60' 2.352
330 6.281
1/8 9.634
MPH 75.21
1000 12.451
1/4 14.821
MPH 95.71

so, my question is:
is my time low because my driving sucks, or is it because i'm not making enough HP?

i have falken azenis that i run on @28psi, and my setup consists of CRX B16 w/ JRSC @6psi. its tuned with an SMC+ to 12.5:1 with a wideband. my plugs are gapped to .033mm and the timing is retarded .7 degrees per pound of boost. i have the stock cat (which may have as many as 170,000 miles on it) and an aftermarket cat back.

is there anything with this setup that should be changed? would a larger plug gap help? i was running about .038 but it was sputtering lightly sometimes at idle so i lowered the gap. take out the cat? any other suggestions? i'd really expect this setup to run much faster. hell i thought a B16 CRX ran mid to low 14's

 

try replacing the cat. (or getting rid of it ) if it's got that many miles on it then it's toast for sure.

 

You should def. be running better times, i ran low 14s with just i/h/e with my old b16a

 

yeah i'm tempted to ditch the cat, but even so, something else must be majorly wrong. a few more things:

i'm told the track is hear sea level.

i launched at 4k, and slowly released the clutch to avoid excessive tire spin, although it spun a lot in first, but not so much where it would bog going into second.

more ideas please? thanks for the replies

 

does seem like a lot time, maybe letting a little more out of your tires, don't know if you hooked up good or not, but i heard that about 22psi was best, might be wrong, but it wouldnt be the first time

 

the only reason i didnt go lower is because the azenis have a stiffer sidewall...and i heard 28 is optimal most of the time for them. but i could be wrong as well.

 

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could be very true

 

well.. i ran with 32 psi on my a032-r's.. and they were alright, i could have lowered the pressure sure.. but stiff side wall aswell, not a drag tire, anyhow.


what power is that thing making @ 6psi? .. . something isn't right, 95mph trap speed? 14.8 ? bah

 

well, if you got your 60ft time to just around 2.0, you'd be getting low 14's (1/10th@60ft is good for 2/10ths overall, as a rule of thumb) Also, I would try reducing the gap on the plugs and maybe even launch at a lower rpm, since you have SOME torque from the JRSC... That should get you into the 13's...

 

don't feel so bad. the best i could do that day was 14.6@100. rock falls sucks.

 

60's can use some work for sure. Try working on your launches...some desolate road or something.

You can also lose time if you shift to late or to early. Going from 1st to 2nd you might have spun the tires to much unless you slipped the clutch some.

A bud was telling me to not go all the way to my max powerband from first to second...his reasoning was that in a first gear pull that rpm comes to quick and by the time you shift you may be over it. Another reason is at a higher rpm you have more power going to second and this can cause spin.

From what I gather every tenth saved in your 60 equates to 2/10's at the end.

I kinda forgot from your post but you need a really good clutch also.

The bummer about drag racing is once you past the 60 ft mark it just gets boring.

One last thing. Find a patch of cement and lower your tire pressure to around 26 lbs. Peel out on the cement...it wont take much. Check the mark you left, keep lowering the pressure until you see the mark is getting "cupped". Thats to low. Increase till youve laid down a good patch.

BTW imo Azenis work best when cold. Turn the tires over a little before you run to get all the nasty's off...but do not do a burn-out. Im pretty sure you didn't but gotta put it out there.

And if you're out there to get your best time dont worry about the tree...leave late if you want, get the revs up. take note of it and how you let the clutch out.

Easier said than done when everyones watching but you'll probably get better faster that way.

Good Luck.

 

im guessing there is something in ur setup.....i made a 14.3 at 95 in a full interior integra........ and u should be making close to the same hp that im made at 8psi cause of hte b16....not only that but ur a lot lighter..

run open downpipe next time u run...... and also check to see if ur running to rich...

even if u launching sux u should of been at least around 100mph if u shifted slow, and launched shitty..so my guess is more a porblem in ur setup rather than ur driving

 

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wouldnt reducing the gap even more create an even smaller spark, which would create a smaller explosion?

thanks for all the replies so far, keep em coming

 

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wouldnt reducing the gap even more create an even smaller spark, which would create a smaller explosion?

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no the point of a smaller gap is to have a more concentrated spark. in turbo/supercharger applications it is important so that the spark doesnt get blown out.

 

try finiding a launch rpm where your car doesn't bog off the line.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by keebler65 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i ran at the track for the first time last saturday. i had a good time but i was not happy with my times. it was a very cool dry day, about 50 degrees with a wind that blew in the direction that we were driving. i made about 9 runs, and this was my best:

60' 2.352
330 6.281
1/8 9.634
MPH 75.21
1000 12.451
1/4 14.821
MPH 95.71

so, my question is:
is my time low because my driving sucks, or is it because i'm not making enough HP?

i have falken azenis that i run on @28psi, and my setup consists of CRX B16 w/ JRSC @6psi. its tuned with an SMC+ to 12.5:1 with a wideband. my plugs are gapped to .033mm and the timing is retarded .7 degrees per pound of boost. i have the stock cat (which may have as many as 170,000 miles on it) and an aftermarket cat back.

is there anything with this setup that should be changed? would a larger plug gap help? i was running about .038 but it was sputtering lightly sometimes at idle so i lowered the gap. take out the cat? any other suggestions? i'd really expect this setup to run much faster. hell i thought a B16 CRX ran mid to low 14's </TD></TR></TABLE>

Try dropping that 60ft. time. that will help.

I ran in the 8th with a 9.6 my first time, but my 60ft was a 2.5.. and trap was a 81mph. My problem was tires and struts and my 60ft. Hope that can help you.

 

i have KYB AGX 4-way adjustable shocks. it was on setting 2. would it have been better to stiffen them up more and set them to 1, or maybe softer on 3 or 4? i didnt get a chance to test this at the track. is stiffer or softer better, especially for the front?

 

with only 95mph you wont run much lower.

 

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That's right... 95mph is good for about 14.4-14.6, depending on how you hook (14.8 and 95 means you're spinning a lot).

Check the sig for the times a stock B16 in a CRX can run... (I ran 14.4 @ 97.5 w/ only a CAI, exhaust, high-flow cat and lightened flywheel with ACT).

What's the track elevation? I'm at sea level (or sorry, 33' above or something ridiculous )

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by keebler65 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have KYB AGX 4-way adjustable shocks. it was on setting 2. would it have been better to stiffen them up more and set them to 1, or maybe softer on 3 or 4? i didnt get a chance to test this at the track. is stiffer or softer better, especially for the front?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stiff, but there right with the miles per hour.

 

maybe what i need to do is go to a dyno so that i can see if the problem is in my setup or in my driving. thanks for the replies

 

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where do you live? elevation

 

i raced in WI and i would dyno in MN. i believe its right around sea level. i know its not high.

 

well you 60ft time should be better than a 2.3.... more like 2.1ish

I would try to launch higher, atleast 4500rpms!
but I've never driven your car or seen a dyno chart of it so that i can tell what kinda of tq# your making.

don't get discouraged, you'll be in the 14.1 soon enough. I'll try to do whatever i can to help. With a tuned B16a1 and JRSC @ 6psi you should be making 170ish whp and 135tq.... right?

go to elite and 3 pulls for $75, just so you know where you stand in WHp/TQ and also to see if your power curve is not droping off for some reason.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Charlie Moua &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go to elite and 3 pulls for $75, just so you know where you stand in WHp/TQ and also to see if your power curve is not droping off for some reason.

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i had no idea elite was that cheap i'll have to do that to see if the problem is my driving or my setup. do you know if that price includes using their wideband? i'd like to test the accuracy of mine...