Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle?
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (JMS JT)
Ok.. fully built = reinforced block, pistons, rings, clutch, VAFC, boost control... everything.
And for who ever said this is the "wrong" car to do this to... elaborate instead of just saying it's wrong. I've heard of it pushing 1000+ hp with a turbo
And for who ever said this is the "wrong" car to do this to... elaborate instead of just saying it's wrong. I've heard of it pushing 1000+ hp with a turbo
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (CarbonCreations)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CarbonCreations »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I read that the dude that is selling his turbo'd s2k is running a t-60. With a fully built engine, what could I run?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Turbo sizing is based on exhaust flow and the engines capbility to produce X cfm at X rpm given that the F20 is a 2.0L the sizing could probably be in the 5-600 cfm range...the problem lies with the vehicles intended purpose (which you didnt state) and power level goal (another variable)
When you narrow it down read a book called maximum boost by Corky bell. In the book you will learn turbo theory, sizing and other tidbits which are invaluable if your even thinking of boosting any car.....but again you could just slap a 60-1 on there and call it good with about 22-25psi.....the question no longer is how big a turbo can you run but how much money do you have to replace your drivetrain
Turbo sizing is based on exhaust flow and the engines capbility to produce X cfm at X rpm given that the F20 is a 2.0L the sizing could probably be in the 5-600 cfm range...the problem lies with the vehicles intended purpose (which you didnt state) and power level goal (another variable)
When you narrow it down read a book called maximum boost by Corky bell. In the book you will learn turbo theory, sizing and other tidbits which are invaluable if your even thinking of boosting any car.....but again you could just slap a 60-1 on there and call it good with about 22-25psi.....the question no longer is how big a turbo can you run but how much money do you have to replace your drivetrain
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (CarbonCreations)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CarbonCreations »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok.. fully built = reinforced block, pistons, rings, clutch, VAFC, boost control... everything.
And for who ever said this is the "wrong" car to do this to... elaborate instead of just saying it's wrong. I've heard of it pushing 1000+ hp with a turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>
things are still a little vague. sorry details are important. reinforced block - that doesn't really tell me much, but it doesn't matter. pistons and rings - yeup, you gotta do rings if you do different pistons, which this probably has - and who knows what compression is being run on them. clutch - okay, so it has a beefier clutch and not sure which one that is... only a handful of clutches are out there - some are quite grippy and some are too grippy and can do quite a bit of damage. vafc for their fuel control? sorry but with all of that done to it, the investment should be with the AEM EMS for this kind of setup. the VAFC is only a piggyback unit, whereas the AEM EMS is a standalone and can do so much more - which this car really needs and can benefit - whatever it might be. that can be an addon, but for 1100-1700 that it will cost you, then addon another 400-600 for tuning on a dyno for one to three days, you can really get all you can out of this car.
yes, there are cars out there that can push 1000hp with a turbo, that doesn't mean it's this one. if you want a fast car that doesn't turn, and has 1000 hp, this isn't the one. if you are worried about reliability or have concern for replacement costs for an entire rear end (diff/axels and all), then this isn't for you. but check it out anyways and see if it fits your needs and intended purpose. one last thing, if it is what you want - make sure this isn't your only car. I say that not to be harsh but to tell you that you'll need a backup in case it breaks down, or you blow something up - which is bound to happen - it's just a matter of where, when and who will own the car at the time.
And for who ever said this is the "wrong" car to do this to... elaborate instead of just saying it's wrong. I've heard of it pushing 1000+ hp with a turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>
things are still a little vague. sorry details are important. reinforced block - that doesn't really tell me much, but it doesn't matter. pistons and rings - yeup, you gotta do rings if you do different pistons, which this probably has - and who knows what compression is being run on them. clutch - okay, so it has a beefier clutch and not sure which one that is... only a handful of clutches are out there - some are quite grippy and some are too grippy and can do quite a bit of damage. vafc for their fuel control? sorry but with all of that done to it, the investment should be with the AEM EMS for this kind of setup. the VAFC is only a piggyback unit, whereas the AEM EMS is a standalone and can do so much more - which this car really needs and can benefit - whatever it might be. that can be an addon, but for 1100-1700 that it will cost you, then addon another 400-600 for tuning on a dyno for one to three days, you can really get all you can out of this car.
yes, there are cars out there that can push 1000hp with a turbo, that doesn't mean it's this one. if you want a fast car that doesn't turn, and has 1000 hp, this isn't the one. if you are worried about reliability or have concern for replacement costs for an entire rear end (diff/axels and all), then this isn't for you. but check it out anyways and see if it fits your needs and intended purpose. one last thing, if it is what you want - make sure this isn't your only car. I say that not to be harsh but to tell you that you'll need a backup in case it breaks down, or you blow something up - which is bound to happen - it's just a matter of where, when and who will own the car at the time.
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (Mr. Bagel)
To build the engine, add a turbo and all the engine management necessary and to beef up the entire drivetrain (tranny, clutch, diff, cv joints etc) it would cost so much that you would be better off buying a supra and going that route. 20K+ might do all that's needed.
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (oos2kfan)
I agree with everyone else's posts, but I just wanted to see where you saw an S2000 with 1000hp.
Even with pretty massive turbos, I haven't seen any with more than like 400hp.
An S2000 with 1Khp? Hmm....
<--my "hmmm" face.
Even with pretty massive turbos, I haven't seen any with more than like 400hp.
An S2000 with 1Khp? Hmm....
<--my "hmmm" face.
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (CarbonCreations)
Just for your information, I thought you guys might be interested in this thread:
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/...52855
Read the long story by WesMaster, it makes you just want to slap on the super charger.
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/...52855
Read the long story by WesMaster, it makes you just want to slap on the super charger.
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Well just from personal experience, We are running a 60 trimm dual bb turbo at up to 15# on a stock long block,and an AEM standalone! And with maintaining a AR of 12.0 +- .5 We show almost no knock infact we show the same amount as what a NA motor would show! The Turbo is a 60 trim compressor wheel with a .60 ar turbine and spoolup is a little laggy at 4200 rpm! But we also succesfully used a 35 shot of N2O to help with that dropping spoolup to 3000!
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (oos2kfan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oos2kfan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Read the long story by WesMaster, it makes you just want to slap on the super charger.</TD></TR></TABLE>
All I got out of that story, was that the guy writing it and the people working on the car were tools, and it was mostly their fault.
Why? For many many reason, such as:
You can use silicone to seal the oil pan. 4G63's don't have any kind of oil pan gasket, just silicone. Works fine on 9, 10, 11, and 12 second cars, and never leaks if done right.
He drove around while dumping oil everywhere. You should know RIGHT AWAY if there is an oil pressure problem, engine monitoring is simply a must with any modded car.
He had it tuned by "his mechanic" who he later proved did not do a very good job. A bad tune can obviously ruin the power of any setup, or ruin a motor.
Aftr dyno tuning, he leaned the car out himself with no reference points, because it "felt better." Then, he later states that this is probably why the bottom end had problems. His own fault, anyone who changes the A/F ratio of a motor with no reference points is a moron.
There is no reason supercharging would be any safer than turbocharging.
Read the long story by WesMaster, it makes you just want to slap on the super charger.</TD></TR></TABLE>
All I got out of that story, was that the guy writing it and the people working on the car were tools, and it was mostly their fault.
Why? For many many reason, such as:
You can use silicone to seal the oil pan. 4G63's don't have any kind of oil pan gasket, just silicone. Works fine on 9, 10, 11, and 12 second cars, and never leaks if done right.
He drove around while dumping oil everywhere. You should know RIGHT AWAY if there is an oil pressure problem, engine monitoring is simply a must with any modded car.
He had it tuned by "his mechanic" who he later proved did not do a very good job. A bad tune can obviously ruin the power of any setup, or ruin a motor.
Aftr dyno tuning, he leaned the car out himself with no reference points, because it "felt better." Then, he later states that this is probably why the bottom end had problems. His own fault, anyone who changes the A/F ratio of a motor with no reference points is a moron.
There is no reason supercharging would be any safer than turbocharging.
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Re: Whats the biggest turbo a built s2k can handle? (kpt4321)
My point was the supercharger route is so much easier and safer because of one key point: The supercharger is an almost plug and play add on while the turbo is not. If you got a tuner to build a turbo for you it could happen the same way this guys story did. It was just an eye opener to everyone to pay attention to what the tuners are doing so as not to go through what he did.
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Would you like to explain why a supercharger is more plug and play than a turbo?
All a turbo requires that a supercharger does not is more piping.
Both require custom fuel maps and tuning, to the same degree, and the same extent of fuel management.
Both require oil feeds for lubrication.
Both require an intake pipe setup and an intercooler, if done properly.
The only thing a turbo needs is a custom exhaust manifold and a downpipe, but there isn't anything there that could go wrong and hurt the car.
All a turbo requires that a supercharger does not is more piping.
Both require custom fuel maps and tuning, to the same degree, and the same extent of fuel management.
Both require oil feeds for lubrication.
Both require an intake pipe setup and an intercooler, if done properly.
The only thing a turbo needs is a custom exhaust manifold and a downpipe, but there isn't anything there that could go wrong and hurt the car.
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Re: (kpt4321)
I like how many people are ****** flamers.
Be an I can person rather than a I can't person.
You CAN turbo ANY car. Wow ******* amazing. Im simply asking, whats the MOST boost that a fully built (All internals) and a stock s2k can push before it goes pop. If you don't have an answer, dont post. Simple enough. Keep your doubts to yourself because Im not looking for your opinion.
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Be an I can person rather than a I can't person.
You CAN turbo ANY car. Wow ******* amazing. Im simply asking, whats the MOST boost that a fully built (All internals) and a stock s2k can push before it goes pop. If you don't have an answer, dont post. Simple enough. Keep your doubts to yourself because Im not looking for your opinion.
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Re: (kpt4321)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kpt4321 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WELL SAID!
I honestly have no clue how much boost you could run, that is dependant on a TON of things.
Good luck though!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks.
Im debating what I want my first project to be... Definitely going with a 92 hatch shell and going from there. From there Im debating the s2k (I know its A LOT of work) or the K series. Definitely going with boost, hence this post.
I honestly have no clue how much boost you could run, that is dependant on a TON of things.
Good luck though!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks.
Im debating what I want my first project to be... Definitely going with a 92 hatch shell and going from there. From there Im debating the s2k (I know its A LOT of work) or the K series. Definitely going with boost, hence this post.
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Thanks. Im debating what I want my first project to be... Definitely going with a 92 hatch shell and going from there. From there Im debating the s2k (I know its A LOT of work) or the K series. Definitely going with boost, hence this post.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So let me get this straight, you are putting a F20C or a K series motor in a 92 hatch?
Thanks.
Im debating what I want my first project to be... Definitely going with a 92 hatch shell and going from there. From there Im debating the s2k (I know its A LOT of work) or the K series. Definitely going with boost, hence this post.</TD></TR></TABLE>So let me get this straight, you are putting a F20C or a K series motor in a 92 hatch?
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Yup thats the plan 
If I do go with the s2k, I will do the whole powertrain and make it RWD. Flame away, but thats what Im doing.
More likely though, I will be going K series -- considering that its more beefy than a b18c5 with just the USDM k20a2. Or I could go the k24a2 or type r head on the k24 and have a real beast, just NA. With FI, it would be a monster...
If I do go with the s2k, I will do the whole powertrain and make it RWD. Flame away, but thats what Im doing.
More likely though, I will be going K series -- considering that its more beefy than a b18c5 with just the USDM k20a2. Or I could go the k24a2 or type r head on the k24 and have a real beast, just NA. With FI, it would be a monster...
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If you decide to go with the s20c, check out this site http://www.todaracing.com . They have a 2.2l stroker kit that has chrome moly rods and you can match low compression pistons with it, which would be perfect for a turbo setup. With that setup you should be able to run whatever boost you want. Goodluck.
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Re: (CarbonCreations)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CarbonCreations »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yup thats the plan
If I do go with the s2k, I will do the whole powertrain and make it RWD. Flame away, but thats what Im doing.
More likely though, I will be going K series -- considering that its more beefy than a b18c5 with just the USDM k20a2. Or I could go the k24a2 or type r head on the k24 and have a real beast, just NA. With FI, it would be a monster...</TD></TR></TABLE>
putting the type r head on is going to raise the compression drasticly. therefore the motor will not be able to handle as much boost. subsequently there will be no monster k24R booted on stock internals. if u were to put the R head on and then lower the compression via pistons blockguard etc... then u maybe able to make some decent power.
u make it sound way too easy and your are definitly leaving out many variables. you are leaving out all the tuning and parts that u will need to make that motor be the beast u claim that it will be. by just slapping on a turbo and a type r head you dont expect too much of a beast.
If I do go with the s2k, I will do the whole powertrain and make it RWD. Flame away, but thats what Im doing.
More likely though, I will be going K series -- considering that its more beefy than a b18c5 with just the USDM k20a2. Or I could go the k24a2 or type r head on the k24 and have a real beast, just NA. With FI, it would be a monster...</TD></TR></TABLE>
putting the type r head on is going to raise the compression drasticly. therefore the motor will not be able to handle as much boost. subsequently there will be no monster k24R booted on stock internals. if u were to put the R head on and then lower the compression via pistons blockguard etc... then u maybe able to make some decent power.
u make it sound way too easy and your are definitly leaving out many variables. you are leaving out all the tuning and parts that u will need to make that motor be the beast u claim that it will be. by just slapping on a turbo and a type r head you dont expect too much of a beast.
