set up:
STOCK bottom CRV b20Z block
GSR head, mild PNP
GSR Plenum
Iceman intake (dirty filter)
JUN header (sold! finally!!!)
DSM 440 injectors
JUN III cams and valve train




you may remeber the thread "Guess the WHP, going to the dyno today" https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=595246
where we posted an un-tuned CRVT motor with JUN III cams on a STOCK bottom end.
Well kids, here's the TUNED version of the same motor!
152.3 torque
205.8 WHP

Yes, it's the same motor, no it's not a trick... Tuning was done by Modern Garage (thanks fellas!!! especially Court!!! )
Is this good enough for a simple motor? I will be adding a new intake plenum (current is STOCK GSR) and a new header (EF-1 10-90 header, custom made) With both mods in place we expect HP to increase by about 5-10 and torque to follow...
Those of you that are thinking about CRVT- here's proof that they can/do make power- and you don't need to rev high to get there. We will be conducting track testing this Sunday- low 12/high 11 second timeslips are expected!
*edit* untned 190ish whp and 130ish tq ran 12.6... with +20 on hp AND tq... I think we can hit the mark- car weighed in at 1950 w/o driver + 4 pt bar

Note- this winter will yield EF-1 Components, GSR crank/rods, and some better compression GOAL-275 whp 180 wtq (so another 70whp and 30ft/lb tq--- impossible?!?!!?





Modified by advanracing62 at 11:57 PM 9/26/2003

 

low12/high 11's on 208whp....Ok

i hope your car weighs about 1750 with you in it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by genius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">low12/high 11's on 208whp....Ok

i hope your car weighs about 1750 with you in it

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it doesnt need to be that light....guess its time for you to change your username...

 

cool chit man!

we need to get you a better header so your top end wont choke

you play with cam gears at all?

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it doesnt need to be that light....guess its time for you to change your username...</TD></TR></TABLE>
i would say nearly owned on that one

 

nope cam gears are at 0,0 and will stay that way.... 10-90 will have my $$$ this week.. and the header should be here a week or so after that... (we don't have lives do we? here on a Friday night! lol)

 

numbers look good

 

so did you touch the bottom end at all? what is the compression ration? what headgasket? sorry for a million questions, those are really good numbers and i just want to know how.

 

i dontget it...how come everyone on jun 3's make peak power at 85-87oo rpm...and u made that power at 7700 so u are saying that with just some rods and and better bearing ...if you would rev that block up to 9k...you would be in the area of 215 whp......thats bullshit!!!!........if 210+ whp was oo easy....everyone would get a crv block slap on a head and run jun 3's..........either its not a stock block or theres something going on........any questions or comments about my post email me at vtecdamian@aol.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecdamian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dontget it...how come everyone on jun 3's make peak power at 85-87oo rpm...and u made that power at 7700 so u are saying that with just some rods and and better bearing ...if you would rev that block up to 9k...you would be in the area of 215 whp......thats bullshit!!!!........if 210+ whp was oo easy....everyone would get a crv block slap on a head and run jun 3's..........either its not a stock block or theres something going on........any questions or comments about my post email me at vtecdamian@aol.com</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's nothing to get. Your just a non-believer that needs to chill out and enjoy the life that is CRVTEC!

 

what compression is it
i just did one simmilar to this without the cams
first time i did it i was rich as hell at even idle could even stay in the garage
so i took the head off and had to owner mill the head adn get a thinner gasket wasn't as rich but it still blew smoke (rich untill vtec cam on) and this is with stock injectors and cams at 0
can you give me any help

 

nice numbers man

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmcx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what compression is it 9.6 + the GSR head - vavle relief cuts
i just did one simmilar to this without the cams
first time i did it i was rich as hell at even idle could even stay in the garage
so i took the head off and had to owner mill the head adn get a thinner gasket wasn't as rich but it still blew smoke (rich untill vtec cam on) and this is with stock injectors and cams at 0
can you give me any help what is the FPR set at? you will want to take it to the dyno and try to set the AF, which is going to be tought without Hondata, VAFC or teh like. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rookie2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so did you touch the bottom end at all? what is the compression ration? what headgasket? sorry for a million questions, those are really good numbers and i just want to know how.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Completely STOCK bottom end (except we widened the valve reliefs for VTEC valves) Stock Headgasket, the block is 9.6 compression and weve got a GSR head so I'm guessing 10:1ish.. maybe a little lower, don't forget to factor in the comperession drop from the cams- which should bring us back down to 9.6:1 (funny how things work eh?)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecdamian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dontget it...how come everyone on jun 3's make peak power at 85-87oo rpm...and u made that power at 7700 so u are saying that with just some rods and and better bearing ...if you would rev that block up to 9k Actually, NO- just changing the rods and bearings won't allow you to rev to 9k safely! ...you would be in the area of 215 whp Pretty much already am... this was on a Mustang Dyno, which is usually 10whp lower than Dynojet .
.....thats bullshit!!!!........if 210+ whp was so easy....everyone would get a crv block slap on a head and run jun 3's they can!
..........either its not a stock block or theres something going on........ yeah intelligence!
any questions or comments about my post email me at vtecdamian@aol.com I found it more fun to write my responses here! </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Yuppers, yesterday was a good day! Fun times, and What a suprise to all of us eh tim? hehe....... Anyways, yes it is a stock B20z bottem and nothins goin on here....... Some ppl just cant belive things that THEY think is wrong or cant be done, just like we were talking about on the home mang.......

L8R
DG

 

Go put that thing on a Dyno jet 248c im sure it wont make that horse power it will make less because lately ive dynoed on a dyno pak meter and i made out rageous power so i went to a dryno jet and made like 22 hp less

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spin2win &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go put that thing on a Dyno jet 248c im sure it wont make that horse power it will make less because lately ive dynoed on a dyno pak meter and i made out rageous power so i went to a dryno jet and made like 22 hp less</TD></TR></TABLE>

What is it with some people anyway? It is quite obvious to most of us that all dyno's will give different results do to a relatively large number of reasons.

This thing is going to run low 12's on shitty slicks tomorrow at a 2,500+ plus elevation.

You are in a way saying it will be doing this on about 180whp?

The car has already gone 12.6 untuned and starved for fuel.

Would you like me to keep going....................?

 

are you guys running it at firebird tomorrow?

 

Sweet! I dont know why people are doubting you, there is a dyno chart on import review with the same set up and it also put down 205whp.

 

i call bullshit. not that that kind of power isn't possible, just not with that set up. stock comp!!! stock gsr intake!!! and peak power is to low in the rpm range for jun 3's.


for the post... put it on a dynojet it will make less power!...the mustang dyno reads 15-25 whp less than dynojet 248c

 

Timeslips afterwards please.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by junbb1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i call bullshit. not that that kind of power isn't possible, just not with that set up. stock comp!!! stock gsr intake!!! and peak power is to low in the rpm range for jun 3's.
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Do you want a full tear down with pics or what? Give me a f-ing break. You obviously have no idea what you're tlaking about.

As if being stock wasn't enough the block came from a CRV that got towed while still in gear by some old ****** and compleately destroyed the head. The oil pan was taken off and the bearings were checked, there were still in somewhat good condition so it was put back together COMPLETELY STOCK, what's so hard to understand?

As for timeslips I am sure advanracing62 will gladley post them up.

 

The power is in the head. How much headwork and what is your compression with the mill?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The power is in the head. How much headwork and what is your compression with the mill?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry to be answering all the questions for advanracing62 but...........

As stated prior it is a GSR head with a full set of stock B16 valves. We didn't even do a valve job when putting in the old B16 valves! I am not sure but I do not believe that the head has been milled at all, maybe just a clean up pass or soe=mething to that affect.

Headwork is minimal, no major portwork hear. Just some home porting to clean up under the valve seats and remove some of the castings. Then just some minor work to the ports and there you have it.

 

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On a side note:

I can't drive for **** and ran 13.1 before the car was tuned and running rich as a *****!