I wanted to start a little debate on the integra engine...........ive not really considered swapping it into my 94 ex coup...........but it is quite cheaper then most other swaps.
I want to know how far the engine can be pushed with a mild N/A build up........please dont mention boost or nitro
all opinions welcome

 

for a daily driven car, you won't be upset with an ls.

you'll love the torque! other wise the potential is there but most of the time you see ls + boost =

 

LS + turbo biatch

 

alright guys........I just really want to know what can be done to the LS N/A to make it move..
I mean how will a nice I-H-E, intake mani, chips.......can gsr or type R cams be used? etc because for the price of the LS id be able to afford a nice lil build up
thx

 

99.9% of the H-T members will advise forced induction for your LS motor.
To answer your question, I do not see the LS motor as being the most desirable to build all motor for any gains worth mentioning.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIcoup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright guys........I just really want to know what can be done to the LS N/A to make it move..
I mean how will a nice I-H-E, intake mani, chips.......can gsr or type R cams be used? etc because for the price of the LS id be able to afford a nice lil build up
thx</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'd say, do a nice valvetrain build up with crower cams and a gsr, si , or itr tranny is a start

 

First off how hard is it to use a gsr tranny on an ls engine? and whats the difference in the gear ratio's also what about the b16a tranny? can it fit? Ive heard its great for dragging?

 

gsr cams or type r cams or any vtec cams for that matter will not work in a ls head.

you could buy a ls long block and find a good gsr or b16 tranny and bolt-ons for a start. then build the head for higher rpm use down the road.

for a daily driver id much rather have an ls than a b16a. it has a nice amount of low end torque.

and for that matter why not look into a b20 long block with a gsr tranny?????

 

everyone is always talking about all this torque the Ls motor has........ok thats good..

Fact of the matter is the GS-R has less torque and its faster.

I drove my friends stock ls and my friends stock gsr. Gsr was faster, everyone knows this.

This is kind of a trivial point

I dunno I am just so sick of hearing that the Ls is such a torque monster. My friend says it all the time about his, I'm just annoyed....sorry Then my friend with the gsr smokes him, and they have the same mods

That is the end of my rant, Thank you

O and of course you could build the ls to be a fun daily driver......but wouldn't you miss Vtec.....most peeps with an ls swap don't hear vtec but they do hear their BOV...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIcoup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First off how hard is it to use a gsr tranny on an ls engine? and whats the difference in the gear ratio's also what about the b16a tranny? can it fit? Ive heard its great for dragging?</TD></TR></TABLE>

GSR or b16 tranny will bolt up, it will help the LS move a little faster but all in all, vtec head or turbo is what it will take to be competitive

 

finaly some coupez!,
i have ponderd this one too long, for a while i was going back and forth between b18b and b16a2 asking evry body wich one would be more worth while and i got mixed up with allot of diffrent answers, ive finaly made my decision of going with the ls one because it has more trq than the b one six and the ls has more potential i.e. ls turbo/ls vtec and its cheaper! what more could you ask for, i have a 93 dx coupe and its waitin on that ls, as soon as the money comes around... then future b00st plans await, to turn it into a real monster.. but untill then that b18b with i/h/e will more than tide me over until the revhard... but any who, ls.. hands down all the way and good choice on the coupe

 

I feel really stupid........but what is the B20? Ive heard of it but i dont know :X

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIcoup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I feel really stupid........but what is the B20? Ive heard of it but i dont know :X </TD></TR></TABLE>

CR-V motor.....i also think they had it in the old prelude 2.0 si (someone please correct me, not to sure)

Most peeps use the block

I actually saw one time in honda tuning a guy just turboed that....had some nice #'s

Its a truck motor so the torque is there

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIcoup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I feel really stupid........but what is the B20? Ive heard of it but i dont know </TD></TR></TABLE>

the b20 is the LS's big 2.0 brother

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IwantAswap &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone is always talking about all this torque the Ls motor has........ok thats good..
Fact of the matter is the GS-R has less torque and its faster.
I drove my friends stock ls and my friends stock gsr. Gsr was faster, everyone knows this.
This is kind of a trivial point
I dunno I am just so sick of hearing that the Ls is such a torque monster. </TD></TR></TABLE>
LS
145Hp 127Trq (JDM)
142Hp 127Trq (USDM)

GSR
180Hp 126Trq (JDM)
170Hp 121Trq (USDM)

yes you are right, LS has more torque by little. But if you compare LS to b16a, it's torque monster.

b16a
170Hp 113Trq (JDM)
160Hp 111Trq (USDM)

 

Whats involved in putting a vtec head on the b20? Also does the b20 need special mounts? How direct is the installation? and can a LS head be used on a b20 thx

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bearboy80 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LS
145Hp 127Trq (JDM)
142Hp 127Trq (USDM)

GSR
180Hp 126Trq (JDM)
170Hp 121Trq (USDM)

yes you are right, LS has more torque by little. But if you compare LS to b16a, it's torque monster.

b16a
170Hp 113Trq (JDM)
160Hp 111Trq (USDM)</TD></TR></TABLE>

In the same car the onepointsix would still beat the Ls, no.....lets say if they were in the eg......I guess the eg with ls would take off the line and the onepointsix would catch up and win.....opinions...

EDIT: Both engines are JDM

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIcoup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whats involved in putting a vtec head on the b20? Also does the b20 need special mounts? How direct is the installation? and can a LS head be used on a b20 thx</TD></TR></TABLE>

see here:
http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=520581

 

wow thanks guys.........ive been exploring so many differents options :D

 

If you buy the complete LS swap (tranny, motor , ecu etc....) I would go for LS-Turbo. You can make a fast all motor non-vtec but the money spent is not worth it IMO. If you know for sure you plan on going all-motor, then i would buy the b16 complete swap straight off the bat. The b16 would come with the better head and better tranny. Then you can buy a cheap b18a/b18b block and get it built properly for the vtec head. Plus, you can drive the b16 stock for a while until you get your b18b/a block built for vtec.




Modified by Dominican_Kid at 12:47 PM 9/24/2003

 

ls with B16 TRANNY with at least a 4.4 final drive will take a b16 powered car with same mods to 100-110 mph....after that the b16 will slowly catch and pass.....

of course with equal drivers....and weights...

 

he whats up man

i got a 94 ex coupe with a ls swap i/h/e afc pulled off a 15.3 1/4mile
i was very pleased with the motor , great for daily driving
i bought some cams but never installed them but i bet with them the 14 sec club aint far. my choice for the money and look on the money u save on a b16 u can have money to save up for a power adder!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IwantAswap &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone is always talking about all this torque the Ls motor has........ok thats good..

Fact of the matter is the GS-R has less torque and its faster.

I drove my friends stock ls and my friends stock gsr. Gsr was faster, everyone knows this.

This is kind of a trivial point

I dunno I am just so sick of hearing that the Ls is such a torque monster. My friend says it all the time about his, I'm just annoyed....sorry Then my friend with the gsr smokes him, and they have the same mods

That is the end of my rant, Thank you

O and of course you could build the ls to be a fun daily driver......but wouldn't you miss Vtec.....most peeps with an ls swap don't hear vtec but they do hear their BOV... </TD></TR></TABLE>

the gsr makes about the same torque, only it makes it over a longer period of time, hence the more HP. i dont think anyone said the ls is a torque monster. if they did, they have never driven a car that has torque.

and yes a gsr will always be faster than a ls with the same mods

it has more hp and has better gearing. the ls 3rd gear is very long. thats why the gsr will pull the ls very good in third and fourth.

 

if your gonna go LS, why not just go b20. much more torque