This is my first post and first i just wanted to say

Ive been lurking for the past couple days searching through topics and what not...looking for info here and there

I have a few questions

Ive always had a 4x4, but for a while i was driving my brothers 97 accord lx 5spd
The reason im in the market to buy an accord is becuz i need better gas mileage, and my brothers accord had 140k+ on it when he sold it and he never had to repair a thing on it during that time, it never broke down on him...i was more comfortable with the reliability of his honda than i am with my 03 S-10

Compared to my ZR-2 the honda was a zippy little devil...but it wasnt fast enough for me...so im going to be doing a swap...the general opinion of this board on the best swap for the 94-97 accord is the H22..correct?

That being said here are my questions...im pretty new to the import scene so you guys gotta speak english with me, and please excuse my inexperience if any of my questions might seem dumb

Are There different versions of the H22? which one is the best

Is the H22 as reliable as the F22 (Original accord LX engine)?

In an H22 accord, do i need to worry about problems with aftermarket support - i.e. do i need to worry about an intake, header etc... that normally fits in an H22 prelude not fitting in the accord...or do they have special application prducts designed to fit in an H22 accord? this is one of my biggest concerns

Ive read that it is easier to swap an H22 into an EX rather than an LX..why? and how much harder is it if i wanted to swap into an LX?

Are any specific years (between 94-97) better/easier than others?

I will only buy a coupe - these are alot more rare than the sedans...does it matter if the coupe is 5speed or auto? what is involved in turning the auto to manual? If you tell me that its just way easier and less expensive to buy a 5spd for the swap, thats what ill do...but if i have to swap transmission or somthing like that and it doesnt matter, lemme know

I have read that most swaps would take 2-3 days considering things go smoothly, i have read this is a smooth swap - how much work/time could I do it in...providing i go by this "Bible" http://www.accordinglydone.com/tech.php?ID=54 --- take into account i am generally inexperienced with imports, but im not an idiot


Accord Questions -
If im looking for an accord (to do an H22 swap) does it matter how many miles are on it?

I know that some matters - like brakes and shocks and what not...read on -
If the shocks need to be replaced on an accord w/220k, does it matter, i mean i plan on dropping it or doing suspension work to get it sitting lower and handle better...so even if the shocks were bad/good it wouldnt matter right?

What would most likley need to be replaced on an accord with high mileage likw 200k+ - the reason i ask is basically would it be more logical to spend the extra money and buy an accord with say 100k rather than buy and accord with 200k+ and spend money replacing things...?

were any model years better than others (94-97) not considering engine since it will be replaced with the H22? I know there were minor difference like the tailights, front grill etc... but any major, like were certain parts on a 94 more prone for reapiars than on a 97, or were the 97's equiped with better supsension or vice versa?

basically i want to make the accord a substantial amount quicker by doing the swap...my goal is to put to shame (or maybe just be quicker by a hair) like a Slightly modified GSR or like a stock eclipse GSX ... i shouldnt say thats my goal, my goal is just to have a quuick accord... but it would be nice to have a faster car than some of the kids here with gsr's and gs-t's and civic Si's
Is this a realistic goal or am i forever going to be slower than these.?

I know this is long...any replies are very much appreciated, its just that i dont wanna go into this blindly and figure out down the road that i shouldnt have done this - i was planning on just buying a v-tech ex and throwin some mods on it...but i know i will not be happy in the end - so its either do this or buy a GSR, dont get me wrong i love integras, but lots of people have them and i really like the accord and its not as cramped and better insurance rates, and a bunch of reasons

thank you to anyone who can help me out and lend me whatever knowledge you can.

thanks
Ralphie

 

what are some of you with H22's getting in gas mileage?

 

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Not trying to be smart here ... but does anyone actually worry about gas mileage when doing swaps like this? Just wondering.

 

-for 94-97 best bet be h22a all motor or h23a for turbo later...

-i have an 94 accord ex with h22a, doing 400miles per/tank with an f22 tranny

-h22a = JDM, H22A1 92-95 OBD1 , h22a4 96-01 OBD2 and there's the H22A with red top (red valve cover) and maybe more...all i can remember...

-they're around 200 HP except for the red valve cover Type S h22a which is around 220 HP

-is the h22a is reliable as the f22? depends...cuz people with h22a swap they -wanna squizz the juice out of it...but it's prett reliable in my opinion...

-people normally go with the JDM h22a cuz it's easier to find and a bit cheaper than the US h22a

-no worries about aftermarket support

-easier to swap on an ex because it already comes with vtec lx doesn't, how much harder? around 4 single wires harder..and prefer 90-95 accord cuz it's OBD1

-5spd or bitchmatic? depends on which you prefer...auto to 5spd conversion aint too hard..just the matter get'n the right parts...

-swap times depends on how many beers and cigarettes you smoke between breaks...2-3 days sounds right...how much work? as much as taking out and engine and put another one back in...like a swap...

more miles = cheaper = good

you can probably shame the GSR, SI but those GST still as quick as **** (my opinion)


this is from what i know...and a bit lazy to explain too...but dont blame me, blame on our post..it's long as a dick...hahahha and dont quote me on it either...

 

with f20b tranny (accord sir-t) i average about 26 mpg pretty much all city with occasional highway miles.

 

bleh, dont swap boost the lx engine. tune for 8psi have fun.

 

Ok so -

the best bet is
to find a 94-95 accord 5sp EX - with high miles (considering it is cheaper)
what more is involved if i bought an LX?

about the auto - yah like you said bitchmatic, auto isnt for me...but i find an overhwleming amount of these accords are auto thats why i ask if it wouldnt be that bad to just buy an auto if i find a real cheap one and convert later, but it might be more work than i want

as far as high mileage accord...anything on the suspension part?

mwkirchner - the reason why i asked about the mpg is basically cuz the way i drive im used to getting 13 miles per gallon...when i lift my truck and throw on some bigger meats...itll be more like "gallons per mile" - i wanted the accord to get good to very good gas mileage...if the swap would hinder it a considerable amount, i wouldnt do it at all.


EDIT: so the h23 is better to put a turbo on.....that might be something i wanna do someday down the road...why is it better to boost than the h22a? cheaper/easier/better gains???

and how rare are those type-s h22?

 

rare enough to charge your *** 4000+ for the swap....for a measly 20 horses...good god. and dont they have less torque than h22a, h22a1, h22a4? who wants to give up torque when ur hauling around a family car...

 

H22 Engine, cheap, very reliable, and plenty of power for the average import guy to absolutely love. Tons of aftermarket parts to go around for it too. You may check out my sig too (plug) if you're interested in what all is involved with the h22 swap, etc. Turbocharging a f series is cool and all, but it's far less reliable for horsepower given, and costs as much if not more to do it right.

I wish you the best of luck however, and welcome to h-t

- Nathan

 

so say i went to go see an accord...and the engine sounded like crap...it didnt good, was kinda shot to shyt - your saying it wont matter at all becuz the h22 is going in anyways?

 

I have done adn also heard different about the EX LX swap which is easier, first thing is that the EX does have vtec but on my 97 I still had to run all the wires for vtec cause the accord (F22) doesn't have a vtec pressure switch also you need to figure out are you going to get US or JDM cause that is the biggest difference the US spec engines comes with External coil which the US accord DX and LX come with standard and the EX accord comes with internal coil, The JDM engines I believe all come with internal coils so to true and make the swap as easy as possible think of that though its not that big of a deal you just need to rewire the dist.

Accordhybrid

 

welcome

glad to hear you have been reading around the forum
but it seems like you still have alot of reading to do, alot of the subjects you bring up get discussed frequently and there are literally dozens of threads about each subject

on a side note, the h22a is better for both turbo or NA

 

well...as ive read (by the majority, even tho the majority could easily be wrong) the h22a isnt the best to turbo nick m... i hear the h23a is better and even a built up f series is better. the thought of a turboed h22a sends a pool of drool to the ground but i dunno, i hear its not that reliable and the cylinder walls are jus too weak. eh but who knows?

 

h23a already comes with low compression pistons and you dont have to lower the compress...h22a are high compression and also vtec + turbo = bad combination

 

How is vtec and turbo a bad combination? Please explain.

 

hey man, check out this moonths sport compact car. they show you exactly what is needed for an h22 swap. oh and get the 5 spd

 

ok now i feel like a total noob, but heres my stupid question... when you people say a write up in "sport compact car" do you mean an actual physical magazine? or is it online or what? if its online, whats the addy? sorry for my

 

Funny u should say i was at Brooks Pharmacy yesterday picking up some safe sex items...and i saw the issue of sport compact car and the h22 swap caught my eye right away...i picked it up...coincidence, i started a thread asking if it was a worthy write up

yes its a magazine...shows detailed pics and a how to

EDIT:Maybe it was deleted???

 

well i dont mean vtec + high compression + vtec = is bad...but it just involve more cash, time...and has to be well tune...there is actually alota people with h22a vtec...but look at the amount they gotta spin...