Hey guys...I was looking over some old threads from this forum. And I ran across the "panda motor" thread posted by "turbopanda".


"Panda motor" is made for D16s by upgrading to B16a rods and Toyota supra pistons


turbopanda said:
"It allows any D-series engine to boost 1-1.2 bar safely without sleeving. All that's needed is good fuel management (hondata,etc..) and a blockguard. (and you need to grind the bottom of the D-series block a little in order to give clearance for the B16 rods."

Also B16A rod bearings are needed

I was wondering if anybody had done this before or not....or if you know anybody that tried it...if so what were the results..

Please give any comments about this setup

 

im about to... ive been looking into it for months now

b16 rods arent needed. they are what comes with his package. he sells the pistons and remachined rods as a package. i dont remeber with what rod bolts though i think u might need to pick those up yourself. i think ts less then 600 shipped for this set up

it seemes to be a great set up. im going to only be boosting 10psi at first. with the greddy 92-95 sohc vtec kit... cause its cheap

later i am going to fully redo my set up but 10psi is fine for now. i am curently looking for the right blockguard and trying to figure out how much it will cost to get it installed at a machine shop.

heres some info on d series engine notching

its what needs to be done for the b16 rods to clear

http://www.theoldone.com/artic...tips/

overall this seems like a great set up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugensport9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16 rods arent needed. they are what comes with his package. he sells the pistons and remachined rods as a package.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But basically we still need to buy the B16 rods and install them on the D series motor which is what i have (D16y8).

What I am really interested in finding out if whether it would truely support up to 17.5 psi like he says....17.5 isn't probably safe on D series but if it does support it then it should handle 12 psi just as someone would boost a stock D series at 5-6 psi...

To me it sounds as a great setup...but I just want to make sure that it really works before doing it.
Any thought or comments?

 

make sure the tune is good. im willing to bet you can get away with 12-14psi on stock rods and pistons(with a good tune). panda claims to be hitting 18psi with no problems on his piston/rod combo.

i also think alot has to do with the size of the turbo(as in how much cfm it flows)

 

yah i know what u mean about the tuning man...I already got the hondata s100...So will make sure I tune my setup during 1st week of installation..
But the reason why I wanted to upgrade to the "panda" because if something happens to my enegine or whatever parts...I will be carless because I'm at school and have no other money to spend on repairs, lol if you know what I mean...
So i wanted to know if by installing those rods and pistons...if i would be totally safe...not totally but most likely safe not to make an damages.

Is there a specific way to find out if that combo works?

Any thoughts on what other combos work to support around 12-14 psi safely?

So nobody here tried this "panda" combo setup? please let me know

 

if i were you i would try to find out what the supra pistons are (as in cast or forged)

 

i would think you would be pretty safe up to 300-325whp tuned with hondata. If i remember right those pistons give REALLY low compression, so your gonna have to turn the boost up alot to make the power. 18psi should give you around 300whp with a smaller t3/t4 on a d series with low comp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would think you would be pretty safe up to 300-325whp tuned with hondata.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Great news..

Anyone else with experience or comments with this setup?

 

I wouldn't go 100% by what i said, i personally don't have experience wiht that setup, but b series rods shouldn't have a problem holding over 300whp, D series sleeves are the same material as b series so they won't have a problem holding it, i don't know much about the supra pistons but im guessing 300whp won't be a problem with them (Ive seen a few people on here make 300whp with stock d series) Tuned well with the right components i don't see 300whp being a problem

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't go 100% by what i said</TD></TR></TABLE>
I completely understand what you mean...nothing ever works or 100% safely/accurate
My goal is to reach around 300whp on my D16Y8..My setup is as follows:
D16Y8
Greddy TD04H-15G Turbo with is necessary components to install and work.
Greddy Type 31 intercooler
Greddy Type S blow off valve
Greddy manifold
Greddy intercooler piping
internal wastegate
Downpipe
3" custom exhaust
Sports clutch
Hondata S100
OBD I ECU
OBD I ECU with harness converstion
Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
440cc RC injectors or bigger
Apex turbo timer
undecided on boost controller, but will be buying one

of course I would buy the B16 rods along with the supra pistons

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2.2Lcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i were you i would try to find out what the supra pistons are (as in cast or forged) </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm still in the process of finding out what kind they are, but I'm almost sure they are forged.

What's the advantages and disadvantages between the cast Aluminum and the forged?

Thanks for the info guys...more thoughts/comments pleaseee..

 

I think your gonna need a bigger turbo..from what ive seen that turbo maxes out @ ~14-15psi which is prolly around 240-250whp...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think your gonna need a bigger turbo..from what ive seen that turbo maxes out @ ~14-15psi which is prolly around 240-250whp...</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm not sure but i thought someone made an adapter plate that allowed u to run a t3 with the greddy manifold. i'm sure u could do this yourself tho if u wanna go that route i would just get something bigger from the start.

 

So would upgrading to the Greddy 18g turbo handle the 300whp ?
I guess it the Panda setup works, i might just upgrade to the 18g later when i save up some money.. I also heard that to upgrade to the 18g another manifold is needed, but I'm not sure.

 

Good Info.

I am going to be dropping a Y8 into my 91 hatch, along with a Garrett GT28.

I am debating on whether to get this setup or not.

 

i dont' think an 18g will have any problems making 300whp, im not sure if its a direct fit on the sohc mani though..

 

Any info on other pistons than those Supra Pistons? I'm just thinking it might be hard to find those so I was trying to see what are some other options...

keep up the good info..
thanks guys

 

greddy turbo maxes out at 10. after that it just cant produce power at high rpms and will run lean and will cause savire damage. 10 psi would be good for about 200whp... if u want more then u must get a different turboset up with a bigger turbo. nuff said.

t3 should be able to put down your 300hp range it will hold pressure very well.
main thing with this project is u better have it tuned right. dont skimp on dyno tuning. get it done right. hondata full new fuel system.

 

you don't need a full new fuel system...hondata s100, 550 cc injectors, walbro 255 pump...that should be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugensport9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">greddy turbo maxes out at 10. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Even the Greddy 18g ??

 

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Even the Greddy 18g ??
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i'm sure he was refering to the 15G.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you don't need a full new fuel system...hondata s100, 550 cc injectors, walbro 255 pump...that should be fine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats what i meant guy...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugensport9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thats what i meant guy...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I assumed by full fuel system, new fuel lines, Adj. FPR, etc ,etc

 

I thought he was takling about the 15g too but I just wanted to make sure...and i have the hondata and all that good stuff...I guess now my next step is to switch from 15g greddy turbo to 18g.

does anybody know if the manifold the only thing that I need to change?
I'm also considering the t3 turbo instead of the 18g...would it be about the same process in switching?
is there a big difference between the t3 and the 18g or just minor things?
thanks guys

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugensport9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">greddy turbo maxes out at 10. after that it just cant produce power at high rpms and will run lean and will cause savire damage. 10 psi would be good for about 200whp... if u want more then u must get a different turboset up with a bigger turbo. nuff said.

t3 should be able to put down your 300hp range it will hold pressure very well.
main thing with this project is u better have it tuned right. dont skimp on dyno tuning. get it done right. hondata full new fuel system.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Greddy turbo does not max out at 10psi. It will go up to about 16 psi before it gives out. 10psi giving you 200whp is relatively high number, however jason (st00pid) did it (the setup is quite a bit different than your standard greddy kit)

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=591051

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=624613

stock map sensor limit (11.3psi)

we are talking the t25 d16 kit though right?


i just read not more then 10 because after that it craps out up top. i dont know from experience tho

didnt paul have a greddy kit?? and what was the max psi his yeilded??? im pretty sure it was 11