I bought a 91 hf and wanted to drop a b18, but people say i should throw a zc in it. I need some insight on this because i really want the power of the 1.8, but i don't know about the zc. What is it and if its a good idea to drop one in where do i get one?

 

Bolts right into your car....runs low 15s

its a DOHC 1.6L engine....i think 133 HP or somethin redlines at 7,200 JDM fuel injection model.

 

there is an infinite amount of information on here about the ZC. I reccommend doing a search.

also, look here:

http://www.thezcr.com/

wealth of information.

 

but what did it come out of?

 

I believe it was the stock CRX motor in the UK or japan or something? I really don't know. I even heard they come out of Rovers. I spent more time studying the engine than the donor car. all that matters is that you can get them on ebay or from a shop in goood shape. I don't believe they are on any car sold in the US.

 

what kind of prices am i going to run into? I do have connections to get a b16b right now for a reasonable price. Should i do that or go zc? Also this will be my first honda swap, i've played with some 350s and other V8s.

 

you should definitely read HEAVILY into what you will be doing. I know some of the thechnical aspects of it and the general info on it. I'm certainly not well versed enough to hand down "do this" reccommendations. I'll relate what little I know, but you should definitely search a TON. check out the sigs of ZC owners. they usually have resource web pages linked in their signatures. very handy. I'll step out at this point. I just don;t wanna hand down any bad info.

 

I jsut dropped this link in another thread. I figured you could use it too.

http://www.4thgenerationcivic....1.htm

 

Go with the B series, it has tons of aftermarket support. I used to be an owner of a DOHC ZC, you will be become board with it real quick.

 

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JDM older integras, I believe

 

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88-91 Civic/CRX Si = ZC
88-91 Civic/CRX SiR = B16A

 

What ever you do don't get a ZC!!! they suck thats the bottom line cause...(nvermind) Get a B16 cause... they rock!!! and cheaper than a B18. You won't find very many parts for a ZC cause nobody really uses them except for the few the proud and the brave...

Go with a B16a1

 

I have a DOHC ZC and I'm perfectly happy with it. Parts are made for it, you just have to look a little harder. Plus you could turbo it for the price difference of a B16A and still be faster.

 

woopeedeedoooo... Anybody can get a turbo for almost any motor and once you put a turbo on a b16a there's nothing a ZC owner can do but pray that more after market parts come out (which will never happen!!!) so go with B16 the ZC owners don't know what thier talkin about!

 

geez, I thought that everyone knew about zcs at this point.

130 hp, euro/asian crxes had 'em. about 350 is the current asking price. parts are easy to get, cams are difficult, though.

a turbo'ed zc is pretty competitive engine. mine is na, but I was just replacing my old si engine, and wanted a little more. the zc's perfect for that, as long as you don't have too high expectations.

Russ, a little less attitude and a little more info would be a little more productive.

 

that one kid thats bashing zc's obviously know's absolutely dick about the zc. if he's so proud of his b16, he needs to race my zc when i get my worked over head on in a few weeks. port/polish, milled .022, MLS Cometic head gasket, valve job, and custom cams. oh, and lets not forget the individual throttle bodies. i'm not the biggest b16 fan now, it seems every one i work on has oil leaks everywhere, crappy everything(obd0 b16's are old and usually beat on severely, and you can never get a JDM one without having to replace EVERYTHING, they just rip them out of the cars, i even needed to replace a valve cover on one i put it). why am i putting so much working into my zc? because everybody has a b16 and thinks its "SOOOO fast". i've pulled on them in factory form with my zc, thats all i have to say. there are downsides to every swap. go with a zc with a homemade turbo kit and use the rest of the money you save from not going b-series and pay all the tickets your gonna get, cause you'll be quick, i promise. very quick

 

zc swap is much easier swap than the b16/18.

its a straight drop in.

I havent had any trouble with parts.. just reground the stock cams with a preformance grind.. i ove my engine..

 

do a zc swap and the sohc greddy turbo kit.............. it would wind up nearly the same price as a bseries swap and you will be much faster........... just my opinion......... im glad i didnt go with a b16, i just think they are overrated......... if anything do a b18b ls if ur going bseries

 

lets price this out a bit (there is a lot of factors in prices but this will give u a general idea)

b16swaps are generally going for about 1300 plus shipping 250 or so/engine trans/ecu
your also gonna need axles/bseries mounts/shiftlinkage...... and a whole lot of misc stuff soo i would think a good estimate for a diy startup b16swap is about 2k.
then if you dont do the normal intake/exhaust/header combo u wont get desirable results.

zc motor and ecu i got mine for 650shipped. dropped right in, no mounts needed, retained stock axles/linkage and only needed to make a 2wire change for the cam angle sensor....... this and the greddy turbo kit 1400 puts you a lil over 2k but will net you a much faster car....... again this is an approximation on the major parts of the swaps...........

 

Everybody has an opinion...no wonder there's so many ******** here.

B-series or ZC...
The ZC=cheaper, easier
The B16=more power, aftermarket support.
What criteria is more important? Some money leftover after a ZC could be put to some good use.
It would be fair to say the B16 will cost at leaast double what a ZC would, assuming both swaps are done right.

One of the consequences of going B-series that often gets glossed over is the increased noise vibration harshness polyurethane mounts communicate into the cabin. A ZC will run smooth as stock. Don't care? Well, I thought I wouldn't either...I was wrong but I live with it now.

Personally, I think a nicely equipped 91 HF/zc could take a B16'd 91 si.

Take the time to read:
http://dmoore.com/crx/zc.htm
and
http://crx.honda-perf.org/arti....html

 

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Learn how to spell. And let's see some pictures that you took during the swap that you did "all by yourself". Assuming you did it by yourself, you'd know these answers:
How many wires did you have to run for the MPFI?
What about the VTEC wiring?
Which mount kit did you use and what metalwork(drilling, hammering, etc.) was done to install them?
And lastly, take a picture of the the "B16A1"-stamped block code and serial number and post it.

 

IMO the ZC is the better choice between the two. I have driven 3 CRX's w/ B16's, and 1 hatch w/ a B16. IMO they weren't very impressive at all. My ZC + maintanance stuff like new dizzy, new motor mounts, clutch kit, rad hoses, belts, plugs/wires, water pump, oil filter cost roughly 1/2 of what a B16 would cost, and is just about as fast. I have minor mods; short ram intake, header, hi flo cat, exhaust, and an AEM alternator pulley and my car pulls w/ the best of 'em.

 

ALLRITE.... think of it this way &gt;&gt;back in the day the DOHC ZC was the motor honda used in F-1 racing&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;THATS RITE FORMULA ONE RACING &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

so all u B-SERIES KIDS.... take a minute ......think ....HMMM.....with proper modification a ZC will be quick!!!!

But here is a twist.... i have a 90 hatch wit a SOHC ZC with slight mods such as upgraded air/fuel system cam gear,headers,intake,stage 2 clutch and of course exaust 2/1/4"stright pipe .....and its no problem handling even modified B-16s and i only paid $700 .......tell me that anit good **** friends&gt;&gt;&gt; im only pushin 170 HP but im plannin on makin lots more so watch out

&gt;&gt;&gt; D-SERIES FOR LIFE &lt;&lt;&lt;

 

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so all u B-SERIES KIDS.... take a minute ......think ....HMMM.....with proper modification a ZC will be quick!!!!

But here is a twist.... i have a 90 hatch wit a SOHC ZC with slight mods such as upgraded air/fuel system cam gear,headers,intake,stage 2 clutch and of course exaust 2/1/4"stright pipe .....and its no problem handling even modified B-16s and i only paid $700 .......tell me that anit good **** friends&gt;&gt;&gt; im only pushin 170 HP but im plannin on makin lots more so watch out

&gt;&gt;&gt; D-SERIES FOR LIFE &lt;&lt;&lt;

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I feel you, I gotta SOHC ZC in my CRX, Exedy organic clutch, NGK plugs n wires, I/H/ and a cheap fart can exhaust and i still can beat a lotta cars with sometimes twice the power i have (i guess weight plays a huge factor, but still). Even the underdog motors (SOHC ZC, D16A6, D15B, etc) have their advantages. If built right, the DOHC ZC would rip, hell, if built right, even a single cam would rip people a new hole.

Every motor has its advantages and disadvantages, telling the world "ZC's SUCK!" is ignorant, especially when you say that people with them dont know anything (This is going out to that ignorant kid that posted a few lines up, not you BKSRACER01). Have you even been in a ZC powered CRX? Have you ever looked into the ZC aftermarket? No aftermarket parts eh? Plenty of companies make Cams for the DOHC ZC (Regrinds, but they still work fine) Just because there arent 26,354,891,764 companies making cams for it like they do with B-Series motors doesn't mean theres no support for it. How many companies do you want making cams for it? If a few companies make good cams for it, use it, theyre good enough, if not, you can get grinds to your specific specs, what more do you have to ask?. Header, Any D-Series header will work, just have to make the ports a little bit bigger (use a Dremel and the ZC exhaust manifold gasket, BIG DEAL!). Valvetrain upgrade, theres companies out there that makem (i just dunno who since i havent looked into it too in depth, but a little searching isnt that hard to do). Pistons, D series pistons work fine. The list goes on n on n on n you get the point.

In conclusion, I have nothing against B16's, Nothing against any B-Series motors, D-Series motors, single cam dual cam fifty cam i really dont care.

Modified by ThE bEe GuY at 7:29 AM 9/22/2003


Modified by ThE bEe GuY at 7:30 AM 9/22/2003

 

I also have access to a b16b for cheap, I want power, but this will be the first swap (excluding Chevys) that i do.