If you had the choice regarding fixing your valve seals would you:

1) fix the valve seals, but also upgrade to a skunk2 valvetrain setup at the same time so you can benefit from workin on the valves...

or

2) fix the valve seals, dont bother with the valves (not bent i think) and use the 700 or so dollars for say, a good header, intake manifold and a VAFC to tune it all with?

Feel free to add any other combinations to the selections...I might just go witht he valvetrain, and i wanted a well informed opinion before i spend the money.

 

depends on what your planning on doing with your head? stock rebuild? all motor? FI? need some more input from your end.

 

all motor beast?...
i'd do up the valvetrain with skunk2 now......
We all need to up our redline.....


save ur $$$ and get a big boy header(SMSP, AN-R, Hytech, Toda, Comptech Race)--again.. this is all motor!$$$


otherwise, if ur on a budget like my broke azz... then go option 2




Modified by skunkintegra at 10:53 AM 9/21/2003

 

i would have to say that personaly i would go with option number 2. maybe you can do both a get a good deal on some used valve springs/retainers, or even get another pair of stock ones if you really need to change them. if not then i would leave it for later.

 

I personally would upgrade the valvetrain first. Then, begin to mod your engine. If your going with the skunk2 valvetrain then definately don't get cheap crap mods for your engine. If you have big all motor plans (Cams, Headwork, Higher redline, Top of the line header, full catback, etc.) then definately you should go with the valvetrain. But if your just going with a mild seutp and nothing major then you don't need to waste your money on the valvetrain. Then, if you changed your mind down the road you could upgrade the valvetrain.

Its basically what you want to do with your car. Are you looking for 180-200whp? If so then I take it your going to be wanting a higher redline then stock. So, if you got those plans then i'd say go with the valvetrain and then upgrade afterwards.

We just need a realistic look at what your goals are.

 

Goals: 200 whp-ish all motor...then turbo that sucker over winter/build engine interals in my garage.

As for headwork I dont plan on doing any, and im pretty sure u dont have to remove the head to fix the seals and do valvetrain, correct?

 

its gonna be hard to get to 200whp without doing ANY headwork or internals first....

and if you are gonna turbo(which is sounds like you are).... forget the header!! save ur $$$

so i say option 1!!

 

ok how about this:

Ive found a local machinist/car builder who can install all of the said above, as well as port n polish my head. Im thinkin about this, but ill be keeping my stock gsr cams for turbo later on (ive read they make good power over others for turbo?)...

So, valvetrain + cam gears + port n polish head + new headgasket (oem?) = happy gsr? :D

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94BlackCivicEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok how about this:

Ive found a local machinist/car builder who can install all of the said above, as well as port n polish my head. Im thinkin about this, but ill be keeping my stock gsr cams for turbo later on (ive read they make good power over others for turbo?)...

So, valvetrain + cam gears + port n polish head + new headgasket (oem?) = happy gsr? :D</TD></TR></TABLE> you don't need aftermarket valvetrain if youre going to go turbo later on.

 

why not upgrade the valvetrain? its not possible to rev high + have a turbo? :/

if u guys can answer this question then I should be all set...ill just buy an IM, vafc, cam gears etc...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94BlackCivicEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not upgrade the valvetrain? its not possible to rev high + have a turbo? :/

if u guys can answer this question then I should be all set...ill just buy an IM, vafc, cam gears etc...</TD></TR></TABLE> just change your inner valve springs to the outer side, and then get itr inner valve springs and itr retainers. no need for cam gears, you dont need to do any adjustments on stock gsr cams.

 

you need to specify what your doing. you posted one statement on what your doing then you adjusted it. seems like your just getting a bunch of different opinions.

explain to me why you would want to build a 200whp all motor gsr, then turn around and turbo it. talk about waste of time and money. if you plan on turboing it then turbo it. buy turbo parts not all motor parts.

what you really need to decide is.......turbo or all motor
....then you can ask questions. because basically you have no clue what you want to do, and if you do, it doesn't make much sense. spend all your money on all motor, build a very fast car and put all that money into parts and installation.

then

turn around and part with all of it, and then build up a turbo. now does that make much sense at all? not only are you wasting your time and money but your putting the car through various adjustments that you don't need to do.

forced induction and all motor are 2 TOTALLY different things. You do realize that with 200whp in your GSR you could beat a 250whp turbo GSR because of powerband/constant power and traction difficulties with a fwd turbo car. With turbo you have to know a good tuner that knows his stuff. Don't get me wrong here, turbo is obviously the fastest of the 2. Im just saying to give you an idea of what your looking at. If you can build 200whp all motor stick with it man ...its impressive

you won't do it without headwork of some sort. or else you wouldn't be maximizing the all motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by patdemps &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.

explain to me why you would want to build a 200whp all motor gsr, then turn around and turbo it. talk about waste of time and money. if you plan on turboing it then turbo it. buy turbo parts not all motor parts.

</TD></TR></TABLE> exactly

 

Guess you guys are right, i dont know wtf i want lol.

I gota think it over more, but at least im well informed...

 

do the headwork... then you'll have to get the headers and exhaust

 

You need to just decide between All Motor and Turbo

-either way your going to spend a good amount of money. and your going to need a good tuner and someone that can do the maintanence on the car correctly. once you decide which one you want then you can pm me and ill help you out (this is if you choose all motor, no forced induction questions for me, haha).

if you plan on going all motor (and hitting 200whp) then definately plan on doing some headwork over the winter because you won't reach your goal without good flowing headwork.

also, our cars only have one header (headers is not something we should use as a term.. for you newbs).

 

I think if you are planing on makin' lots of horspower (all motor, forced induction) later on then go with the option one. But if you are just trying to bs your way through then go with option 2, that way you can make more power with some of the bolt ons that you can buy with that extra cash.

 

Ive decided Im just going to fix the seals...but its my birthday in about 2 weeks so Im gona go ahead and work out a deal for a turbo kit as a present

Any opinions/comments on stock boost (6-7 psi street) and stock GSR motors? What else should i upgrade when i get the boost?