230Whp GS-R
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230Whp GS-R
Will this setup be able to hit 230whp on a B18C1 with right tuning?
Setup:
2000 GS-R Ported/Polished Head
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM cam gears
SMS Custom Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
Hondata flash
Nology Silverstone Spark Plugs
Nology Hot Wires Ignition Wires
ES Motor Mounts
Energy Suspension Bushing Kit
AEM fuel rail
PSI Walbro 255 fuel pump
ARP Fasteners
RC 370cc injectors
Toda Dual Ti valve springs
Toda Cam Pulleys
Skunk2 stainless valves
Skunk2 Ti Retainers
Crower Rods
JE Pistons 11.5:1
Skunk2 stage 2 cams
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
If it can, I will be going NA other than Turbo. Any comments will be highly appriciated.
Setup:
2000 GS-R Ported/Polished Head
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM cam gears
SMS Custom Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
Hondata flash
Nology Silverstone Spark Plugs
Nology Hot Wires Ignition Wires
ES Motor Mounts
Energy Suspension Bushing Kit
AEM fuel rail
PSI Walbro 255 fuel pump
ARP Fasteners
RC 370cc injectors
Toda Dual Ti valve springs
Toda Cam Pulleys
Skunk2 stainless valves
Skunk2 Ti Retainers
Crower Rods
JE Pistons 11.5:1
Skunk2 stage 2 cams
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
If it can, I will be going NA other than Turbo. Any comments will be highly appriciated.
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (Rhetoric)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rhetoric »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say at the most 212, a lot of tuning is needed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats a little exact 212. i was thinking more like 211.....
on a more serious note, in the you can make in the area of 200-210whp....
nick
BTW, ditch the Skunk2 retainers.
thats a little exact 212. i was thinking more like 211.....
on a more serious note, in the you can make in the area of 200-210whp....
nick
BTW, ditch the Skunk2 retainers.
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Re: (crimson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crimson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How will those numbers change with a B18c5 swap?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it wouldn't
it wouldn't
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (YellowR2000x2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YellowR2000x2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stroke it to 2l...up the comp. a wee bit...maybe be in the 220 range with badass tuning....</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'd rather bore it to a 2L, but thats just me.
i'd rather bore it to a 2L, but thats just me.
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (YellowR2000x2)
go to a good engine builder, and tell them you want 230whp. let them choose the parts, and write them a big check.
you will never be able to hit 230whp from mix matching parts and giving it to engine builder X.
you will never be able to hit 230whp from mix matching parts and giving it to engine builder X.
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From: SANTA BARBARA/OXNARD, CA
Re: 230Whp GS-R (crimson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crimson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will this setup be able to hit 230whp on a B18C1 with right tuning?
Setup:
2000 GS-R Ported/Polished Head
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM cam gears
SMS Custom Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
Hondata flash
Nology Silverstone Spark Plugs
Nology Hot Wires Ignition Wires
ES Motor Mounts
Energy Suspension Bushing Kit
AEM fuel rail
PSI Walbro 255 fuel pump
ARP Fasteners
RC 370cc injectors
Toda Dual Ti valve springs
Toda Cam Pulleys
Skunk2 stainless valves
Skunk2 Ti Retainers
Crower Rods
JE Pistons 11.5:1
Skunk2 stage 2 cams
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
If it can, I will be going NA other than Turbo. Any comments will be highly appriciated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
comp needs to be much much higher! needs to around 13:1 or higher with alot of tuning! regardless of what other people say that say " oh I have 11:1 comp pistons" but what they dont tell you is they have the head milled alot! like above 30 thousandths! it's possible with your setup but not witht the comp you have posted I have seen alot of motors been bult and they only motors that make that power range are engines having 12.8:1 pistons and 84 mm bore and above! alot of compression, a big cam, bigger bore, good ported head and good header and real good tuner! I've seen it to many times and with the setup above wont happen maybe 200whp
Modified by ALLMTRWHORE at 5:19 PM 9/14/2003
Setup:
2000 GS-R Ported/Polished Head
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM cam gears
SMS Custom Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
Hondata flash
Nology Silverstone Spark Plugs
Nology Hot Wires Ignition Wires
ES Motor Mounts
Energy Suspension Bushing Kit
AEM fuel rail
PSI Walbro 255 fuel pump
ARP Fasteners
RC 370cc injectors
Toda Dual Ti valve springs
Toda Cam Pulleys
Skunk2 stainless valves
Skunk2 Ti Retainers
Crower Rods
JE Pistons 11.5:1
Skunk2 stage 2 cams
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
If it can, I will be going NA other than Turbo. Any comments will be highly appriciated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
comp needs to be much much higher! needs to around 13:1 or higher with alot of tuning! regardless of what other people say that say " oh I have 11:1 comp pistons" but what they dont tell you is they have the head milled alot! like above 30 thousandths! it's possible with your setup but not witht the comp you have posted I have seen alot of motors been bult and they only motors that make that power range are engines having 12.8:1 pistons and 84 mm bore and above! alot of compression, a big cam, bigger bore, good ported head and good header and real good tuner! I've seen it to many times and with the setup above wont happen maybe 200whp
Modified by ALLMTRWHORE at 5:19 PM 9/14/2003
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (crimson)
maybe to the flywheel but not to the ground.
talk to Tony the Tiger or Lip. Lip had over 240hp all motor and Tony had about 225hp all motor (prolly more since he bumped up his displacement)
talk to Tony the Tiger or Lip. Lip had over 240hp all motor and Tony had about 225hp all motor (prolly more since he bumped up his displacement)
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From: Monaco
Re: 230Whp GS-R (crimson)
Here’s a cool math equation that helps you determine whether 230hp will be possible from 1.8l(and you don’t even have to compile a useless list of off-the shelf parts to present to “experts” to get their opinion).
HP=tq*rpm/5252
Say you want peak power at 9000rpm, that means you will need to be producing 134lb/ft of torque at that speed.....doubt this will happen with a 1.8l….consider too that the c5 is only producing what?..100-110lb/ft at 8000rpm…
But lets say you decide to skip all the off the shelf crap and have someone who knows what the hell they are doing build it, and they get it to spin up to 10,500 reliably...then you will only need to produce 115lb/ft....a little more achievable from a 1.8(although it will be difficult to maintain the VE at 10,500).
In reality a motor built for peak power is useless though, unless your goal is to impress the hordes of sideways hat wearing intellectual failures at the local vacant retail megaplex parking lot on Saturday nights. Although if increasing the performance of your car is paramount; engine response, smoothness, and a power band that matches the gearing should take prerogative (and there are even nifty equations to figure all that out too).
HP=tq*rpm/5252
Say you want peak power at 9000rpm, that means you will need to be producing 134lb/ft of torque at that speed.....doubt this will happen with a 1.8l….consider too that the c5 is only producing what?..100-110lb/ft at 8000rpm…
But lets say you decide to skip all the off the shelf crap and have someone who knows what the hell they are doing build it, and they get it to spin up to 10,500 reliably...then you will only need to produce 115lb/ft....a little more achievable from a 1.8(although it will be difficult to maintain the VE at 10,500).
In reality a motor built for peak power is useless though, unless your goal is to impress the hordes of sideways hat wearing intellectual failures at the local vacant retail megaplex parking lot on Saturday nights. Although if increasing the performance of your car is paramount; engine response, smoothness, and a power band that matches the gearing should take prerogative (and there are even nifty equations to figure all that out too).
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (SpdFrk)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpdFrk »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, I don't think it will.
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mabey if the compression was somewhere in teh 12:1-12.5:1 range
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mabey if the compression was somewhere in teh 12:1-12.5:1 range
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (Muffin')
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that was on a b20vtec.
you can make over 230 with itb's...
but maybe you want a more streetable setup..
if that's the case then i would go b20 or resleeve
that was on a b20vtec.
you can make over 230 with itb's...
but maybe you want a more streetable setup..
if that's the case then i would go b20 or resleeve
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From: SANTA BARBARA/OXNARD, CA
Re: 230Whp GS-R (PacMan ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PacMan ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">195-200whp IF you are lucky. You cant make 230whp on a stock block Bseries block with stock compression. </TD></TR></TABLE> take it from this guy they know what it takes to get that much power out of all motor honda!
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (MikeMAN)
From what I've seen use some CP pistons at 11.5:1 and run some ef-1 m24's or JUN3's, ef-1 plugs, and 440+cc injectors and run open header.
Cam timing as follows. Intake at 102-104 and Exhaust at 108.
If your head work is good you should see like 210-215whp. That's my opinion.
Also - don't do the Nology
Cam timing as follows. Intake at 102-104 and Exhaust at 108.
If your head work is good you should see like 210-215whp. That's my opinion.
Also - don't do the Nology
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Re: 230Whp GS-R (crimson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crimson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will this setup be able to hit 230whp on a B18C1 with right tuning?
Setup:
2000 GS-R Ported/Polished Head
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM cam gears ok...you mention AEM gears then Toda cam pulleys...which one do you want to use?
SMS Custom Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
Hondata flash
Nology Silverstone Spark Plugs
Nology Hot Wires Ignition Wires
ES Motor Mounts
Energy Suspension Bushing Kit
AEM fuel rail
PSI Walbro 255 fuel pump i'd use a walbro 195 lph...better for your setup...again your cr is fairly low.
ARP Fasteners
RC 370cc injectors too big, i'd use like 310 or smaller...your compression is fairly low
Toda Dual Ti valve springs
Toda Cam Pulleys
Skunk2 stainless valves
Skunk2 Ti Retainers
Crower Rods
JE Pistons 11.5:1
Skunk2 stage 2 cams
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
If it can, I will be going NA other than Turbo. Any comments will be highly appriciated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you're probably going to need some machining done on the block to get a good seal for your piston rings. i'd use skunk2 cam gears...prolly the best set of cam gears out there for the $$$...toda is way too pricey...you'll be happier with the skunk2 cam gears. use hondata s100 for that setup above. get rid of the nology ****...stick with stock ngk wires...you'll save $$$ and the ngk's work just as good. save more $$$ on an erik's racing throttle body...spoon is too much $$$.
Setup:
2000 GS-R Ported/Polished Head
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM cam gears ok...you mention AEM gears then Toda cam pulleys...which one do you want to use?
SMS Custom Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
Hondata flash
Nology Silverstone Spark Plugs
Nology Hot Wires Ignition Wires
ES Motor Mounts
Energy Suspension Bushing Kit
AEM fuel rail
PSI Walbro 255 fuel pump i'd use a walbro 195 lph...better for your setup...again your cr is fairly low.
ARP Fasteners
RC 370cc injectors too big, i'd use like 310 or smaller...your compression is fairly low
Toda Dual Ti valve springs
Toda Cam Pulleys
Skunk2 stainless valves
Skunk2 Ti Retainers
Crower Rods
JE Pistons 11.5:1
Skunk2 stage 2 cams
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
If it can, I will be going NA other than Turbo. Any comments will be highly appriciated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you're probably going to need some machining done on the block to get a good seal for your piston rings. i'd use skunk2 cam gears...prolly the best set of cam gears out there for the $$$...toda is way too pricey...you'll be happier with the skunk2 cam gears. use hondata s100 for that setup above. get rid of the nology ****...stick with stock ngk wires...you'll save $$$ and the ngk's work just as good. save more $$$ on an erik's racing throttle body...spoon is too much $$$.