can i get any information about building up the accord engine for NA? i know it's not the BEST route to take but if anyone has any information, or source where i can read up on that would be great.

[don't bring up boost or swap please]

 

just read up on any all motor build up. The f23 is just really unsupported at this time, and you're going to spend a lot of time lookign for parts...good luck!

- Nathan

 

f23a na buildup is worthless!!! get an h22a!!! f series are decent with boost tho!!!

 

which Fseries pistons have the highest dome?

 

for the f22a, the wiseco pistons from raceeng (which are the ones i will be going with) have an 11:1 compression ratio. but due to the different bore of the f23a motor (86mm compared to the f22a's 85), it would take too much work to make them work.

i have seen JE pistons floating around for the f23a - they are the only aftermarket pistons that i have seen for the f23a although i may be wrong. they will also make custom pistons but people have said that sometimes they want an 8 piston minimum order for custom pistons.

also, higher revs are not in an f23a's best interest even more so than the f22 because of the f23a's 2mm longer stroke.

currently i would say that the best f series to build for NA would be the f22 - although there is not much aftermarket support for the f22, there is still more than there is for the f23a.

 

whats the bore/stroke for the F22 and F23 btw?

 

the f22a has an 85mm bore with a 95mm stroke

the f23a has an 86mm bore with a 97mm stroke

if one wanted to build a very high revving accord motor, the motor of choice would be the f20a due to it's 88mm stroke.

 

You should contact Jon at http://www.rsmachines.com

I use F series NA engines, and have secured many world records with this powerplant. It has tons of untapped potential. RSM has all the parts you need, and research has been done to yield parts support. You can make way more power with it than an H motor.

 

Thanks for the advice Bisi. Does RS Machines hardweld F23 Vtec cam?

 

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I use F series NA engines, and have secured many world records with this powerplant. It has tons of untapped potential. RSM has all the parts you need, and research has been done to yield parts support. You can make way more power with it than an H motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank god someone finally said it, thank you Bisi.

 

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You can obtain a camshaft from Web Cam (www.webcamshafts.com), that is my source. For all head work, blockwork, arias pistons, and more performanceware, RS is you one-stop-shop.

 

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Now that's what I like to hear...

That is a truly BOLD statement. Who's going to argue with Bisi though?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZigenBallz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who's going to argue though? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Gimpy, LOL.

 

Bisi,

What's your opinion on Gude's head package? Is it possible they can make good on the up to 58 hp, or is it alot of horse puckey? How many hp can I expect from their camshaft(only not the package).

Thanks for the info!

 

I am not familiar with Gude accord set ups. I can only comment on my experience. http://www.rsmachines.com does my headwork. http://www.webcamshafts.com has helped with my camshafts/bumpsticks. My set up, thus, makes lots of power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondanoel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bisi,

What's your opinion on Gude's head package? Is it possible they can make good on the up to 58 hp, or is it alot of horse puckey? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't believe ANYONE can make 58 hp on a 4cyl honda motor with just a head package, a cam, and a TB.

ask anyone who ports heads, and isn't trying to steal from you, honda heads already flow very well. there just isn't that much power to be gained that way.

 

Hmmmn...what kind of gain can I expect from just a camshaft with the best case scenario? I have a V-tec 02 accord f23a.

 

i have a f22a6 with header intake and exhaust what should be my next step to get another good hp boost on my engine without pushing it over the limits to blowing

 

my buddy did some buisness with RS about six months ago and the service was horrible! he waited for 3 months on a set of arias pistons that he ordered from them that were "in stock".

 

whats so good about the dual runner intake manifold and will it fit onto the f22a6 engine i have

 

Gude products and their customer service is garbage

 

I too have heard about this infamous "Gude" head package advertised on performanceaccord.com and it specifically says gains up to 50 whp, with proper assisting modifications. The headwork, cam, IM, and bored TB seems like a good deal all for $1500, but Id like to talk to someone who has it before I consider it any furthur.

 

kentucky accord had the gude POS package i believe. he said it was POS at one time or another.

 

since this popped back up just thought Id add this

the k20 has an 86mm bore and I've been told that it's pistons have the same compression height as the f23 and should be a drop in replacement. The RSX-S has an 11.0:1 cr so that should make for a cheap/easy/oem way to add some hp.

 

That has got to be the biggest load of **** I have ever heard.. F series has more potential than H series... get your head of your ***.