I have been considering these cams for quite some time. But I am reluctant to spend ~$400 for cams when I am so uncertain about how well they will work for me. Does anyone have these cams in their non-VTEC B20? I am not looking for anything really extreme. Just some good top end power while maintaining good streetability. Do these cams fit the bill well?

 

remember you can find a b16 head complete for like 400-500 and go lsvtec and make more power than a nonvtec b20

 

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First off, I already have the B20. And although I also have an LS motor just sitting around, I would definitely rather use the B20 bottom end than the LS bottom end. Secondly, I don't want some blow-up-in-your-face, stock bottom end Frankenstein motor. I would only consider a VTEC head on a properly built bottom end (Preferably a P72 block with 84-85mm bores. Not a PR4/P3G). And this costs money. Furthermore, the B20 is in more of a daily driver sort of car. And low cost and reliability take precedence over ultimate power in this particular car. Remember the line in my original thread about not really looking for anything extreme? That is what my B18C5 is for.

 

yes ls cams will fit, b20 uses the exact same head as an ls. but dont waste your money. i have a stock b20z with a stock 2000 gsr head, never had any problem with it and its strong as hell. if the conversion is done right you shouldnt ever have a problem with it

 

Seems similar to the Crower 62403...which people like on here I believe. If you don't want anything crazy, I would get those or the 62403 cams.

 

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Good point.

 

well if you dont want to spend 400$ on cams shop around and wait for a deal.i just picked up a set of jg 303 cams for 150$ and there like new no wear on the lobes still have paint marks on them., so be paitient and look around youll find wat you want,,,

 

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I don't really have a problem with spending $400 on cams................if they end up working well for me, that is. I just don't want to spend $400 on cams and not be happy with them. I consider that to be money flushed down the toilet. As for CR-VTEC conversions, also keep in mind that even if you don't build the bottom end, you still must buy a VTEC distributer and ECU. Both these cost bucks if you don;t buy them as part of a swap package.

 

in that case get a set of ef-1 nonvtec cams for the bseries, with their valve train you should see nice results

 

Who makes ef-1?

 

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Yes, but then you have to buy an ECU, maybe an AFC or something to fine tune it, do some work to the block for the oil jets (or something like that i'm not sure, just know something has to be done), then put the head on, get some dyno time and tune it. So, it would be well over $400-$500. For all that money, he could have a very, very torquey reliable non-VTEC motor that would be more than peachy for a street car.....which is what he wants.

Matt, do you have any headwork done to your B20s head or plan to? To get the most out of any cams it would help to have some headwork done.

 

Buy the EF1 cams.... http://www.ef-1.com once I get some $ thats what Im getting.... $225... Jalopy SiR made 20whp with his L21 cams with adjustable cam gears.... Ask Rocket for more information.

Blaze

 

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I have another grind available that will make more hp but is less streetable. The profile on it is just beautiful.

 

The EF-1 cams seem to be the best ones. The only problem is where to find a set. Where can I find a dealer and how long do they take.

 

I gained 20 peak whp w/ my crower 403 cams on an LS block. So the cams definitely can make some power. Run a search, I have the dyno posted on here.

Getting ready to swap a B20 block in there for some more......

 

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I have another grind available that will make more hp but is less streetable. The profile on it is just beautiful.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Rocket,
Can you send me a PM with some specs on these cams? Thanks.

 

Better yet....

Rocket, would you mind posting the specs on all the cams that you have available for the non-vtec b-series?
Are your ef-1 cams regrinds?
If they are are not regrinds....what are they constructed of?

When I posted my Crower dyno sheet up on another honda board I had alot of non-vtec guys IM me about my setup. It would be nice to tell them that there are other options out there besides Crower and Crane for non-regrind cams.

(If you don't mind, please post specs for duration @1mm, ABDC of the intake side, LSA, and lift) Thanks

 

i have had it on a cutomer car of mine and made good power....his setup
93 LS
stock bottom end
rebuilt head with gasket match port...nothing else
skunk2 manifold also gasket match
BBK 62mm tb
Vibrant JDM header
2.5 exhaust
crane ignition
crane cam stage 2
crane springs and retainer
AEM cam gears
Hondata ECU
i am not certain on the exact # but they were like 163whp and 129tq...i can get you the dyno sheet when he gets back from SEMA
the car drove great no idle problem pulled from 1200 to 8k redline no prob

hope this help...

also it you are looking for a cheap set he is selling his as the motor was rebuilt a little ago...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...567889...heres a link to ebay ..

Topy

 

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Rocket, would you mind posting the specs on all the cams that you have available for the non-vtec b-series?
Are your ef-1 cams regrinds?
If they are are not regrinds....what are they constructed of?

When I posted my Crower dyno sheet up on another honda board I had alot of non-vtec guys IM me about my setup. It would be nice to tell them that there are other options out there besides Crower and Crane for non-regrind cams.

(If you don't mind, please post specs for duration @1mm, ABDC of the intake side, LSA, and lift) Thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have alot of grinds available. If you are serious and don't mind the wait I'll get you a bad *** cam for you LS.

 

So are your cams regrinds?

I'm just interested in seeing the specs of the various grinds that you have available.

 

smaller profiles can be regrinds and bigger profiles go on new cores.

I can do anything from 220 duration to 320 duration.

 

So are all your cams custom grinds? You don't have a set spec for a "stage 1" or "stage 2" , etc.?

 

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Nope. Not on the LS stuff.

I can prolly do like 284 gross duration that would be "hot" as hell for a NA LS.

 

Does EF-1 even make cams for the non VTEC motor?

Matt, I've seen horror stories about Crane cams breaking even though they did send money to the owners for repairs. I would reccommend Crower 403 or 404 cams with a Skunk2 manifold.