i wanna go with a type r motor in the future...just curious what setups you guys would go with w/o stroking and boring...

how do header tech headers compare to smsp headers on type r's? are the results true about smsp headers? how hard are they to get?

 

PM the user SMSP

its that easy.

 

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Are you asking what WE would go with? That's a personal preference based on personal goals.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do header tech headers compare to smsp headers on type r's?</TD></TR></TABLE>

This might sound like a smartass remark, but it depends on who you ask.

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Which results are you talking about?

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Contact SMSP and ask how long is the wait if you placed an order. He's on this board also, but I would suggest you give him a ring.

 

len is full of answers not just parts you will prob be like 2 months out for a smsp header, check my sig, dtr headers are just as sick! and i just got my jdm r motor in my car and iam in love, makes me a true beleiver of the R motor....

 

quick question.....what cams are good for the itr.....and is it possible to run stage 2 cams with stock itr valvetrain without any problems?

 

I made 190whp with this set up on my 01 itr

comptech intake
skunk stage 1 cams
DTR OTS1800
and a chipped ecu

 

and also you cant use s2s2 cams with a stock valve train *** soon as vtec rips so will your motor

 

You will also need to wait for your Type R motor if you haven't put a deposit down yet. I got mine hooked up and still had to wait about a month. Others are still waiting going onto their 4th month. http://www.passwordjdm.com has been busy these months!

 

he could just buy my project ITR engine...

 

Get a motor through Brian Wong, he usually has ITR motors in stock.

 

Why spend all that money on a ITR motor? If your building it it would be pointless to spend the extra $$$, your not going to need the head cuz your going to rework that, you wont need the pistons or cams because if your serious about building youll be ditching those anyway, that goes for the IM too...

Get a much cheaper GSR motor or look into an LS/VTEC set up and go from there...

As for the tranny, A B16 trans with Quaife LSD and SRR 4.7 or 4.9 FD will be a better bet than a stock ITR tranny...

Makes no sense to me... To each his own, but IMO if your going to build it its pointless to get an ITR motor...

 

yeah im with rs_h22 a type r motor is a waste of money if really want to go fast stick to a gsr and build that. you could even buy the "cool red type r valve cover" and it looks just like a type r motor you just wont have the c or c5 on your block.

but if you got that kind of dough go for it.

 

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GSR motors are NOT 'much cheaper' than ITR motors. In fact, they cost almost as much. You may have been making a valid point a couple of years ago by saying that buying and building a GSR motor is more cost effective. But GSR motors have become more expensive and ITR motors cheaper to the point that ITR motors are quite a bargain for what you get.

 

GO ITR...lol Sometimes you'll building plans fall through, and if they ever did, you already have a pimp *** little motor... I ran a stock ITR all year this season, but I'm starting to build it now... call me stupid for buying a ITR to build, but I want the best

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RS_H22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why spend all that money on a ITR motor? If your building it it would be pointless to spend the extra $$$, your not going to need the head cuz your going to rework that, you wont need the pistons or cams because if your serious about building youll be ditching those anyway, that goes for the IM too...

Get a much cheaper GSR motor or look into an LS/VTEC set up and go from there...

As for the tranny, A B16 trans with Quaife LSD and SRR 4.7 or 4.9 FD will be a better bet than a stock ITR tranny...

Makes no sense to me... To each his own, but IMO if your going to build it its pointless to get an ITR motor...
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this guy is very right
a type r motor is a waste of money if you plan on building you motor
in fact i think that a type r motor is a waste of money period even if u dont build the motor
you can build a motor that will be much faster than a R motor and still cost less that a stock r motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

GSR motors are NOT 'much cheaper' than ITR motors. In fact, they cost almost as much. You may have been making a valid point a couple of years ago by saying that buying and building a GSR motor is more cost effective. But GSR motors have become more expensive and ITR motors cheaper to the point that ITR motors are quite a bargain for what you get.</TD></TR></TABLE> Naw.... Hell Naw LOL a GSr will run you $3000-$32000 if you go to the right shop and a ITR will run you $4300-$4700 so get a GSr and with the left over money you can buy some CTR Cams, and JDM ITR Pistons and out-perform a stock ITR motor and still have some money left... BUt then again thats just my 2cents! and it wont feel to good to get broken off at the track by a hatch with a JDM B16a with your "ITR Motor Parts" in it i.e. pistons, Cams....lol s0 thats that! have a nice day

 

Jeremy, if you want to build a motor and are serious about building a motor give me a call... Ill just tell you before you even call spending 4500+ on a motor to build is about the dumbest thing you can do

Your paying alot more for ITR oarts that you wont even be using...

I swear, you and my brother crack me up sometimes... lol

 

If you just straight out upgrade a GSR to Type R parts, you will ultimately spend more that way.

 

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GSR cranks have spun just as high and reliably as the C5 crank, so has the LS actually... Still not worth the money

 

man i didn't realize i made this thread a while back ago...this is when i wanted to sell my car and get a eg with a type r motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX-RX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you just straight out upgrade a GSR to Type R parts, you will ultimately spend more that way. </TD></TR></TABLE> Naw... all i said was CTR Cams and JDM ITR Pistons....and you will out perform a c5, assuming your set-up is proprerly tuned...lol and i didnt even mention CTR pistons in a GSr woooooooweeeeee! (i didnt mean ect... in the other post) CTR Cams used= $400. JDM ITR Pistons=$320 w/Rings or even CTR Pistons same price..The Math has been d0ne!

 

So we'll say an extra 700 on top of the price of a gsr motor. So we'll say it cost you 3900 for the parts and motor, but what about labor to add those parts to the motor? what about the tuning you also mentioned?that's going to be more than the 4200 for an r motor.

 

transmission, ecu, valve springs/retainers, head porting, cam seal, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, axles, shift linkage, shifter, spark plug wires, distributor cap/rotor, throttle body. There are a number of minor differences that all add up to the reason why the R has more power and is a more stable platform. I can't really talk though, if it was me i'd be going b16 all the way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CleanSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So we'll say an extra 700 on top of the price of a gsr motor. So we'll say it cost you 3900 for the parts and motor, but what about labor to add those parts to the motor? what about the tuning you also mentioned?that's going to be more than the 4200 for an r motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I cant believe this is even still being debated...

ITR motors are not worth spending a single dime on if you are going to build... lets see what seperates an R from a GSR

Pistons/rods :
if your building youll be going with forged pistons and rods, toss the ITR

slightly reworked head:
If your building youll be extensivley reworking the head... porting, new valves, valve train... Wont be needing the R badge, stock B16 would be just the same in terms of a starting point and IMO the GSR head is a better head anyway

Cams:
Tossing those in favor of an aftermarket cam

IM:
Cant breathe well enough so its gonna get tossed as well for a custom sheet metal or a set of ITB's

TB:
Going bigger and tapered tossing the stocker

ECU:
Cant use Hondata with the ITR ECU... Going with an OBD1 ECU... Add that to the pile of R parts your not going to need

The R motor is for someone with no plans of ever building a motor, someone whos looking to drop in a swap and go and doesnt mind paying 4500+...

 

LOL im with this Guy ^^^^^^^^^^ w0Rd!