all motor's most wanted?! :)
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all motor's most wanted?! :)
just made this pix for fun...
extra thanks to Larry @ ENDYN. Some people are skeptical about the manifold but once you see it in person, you can tell a lot of thought went into it. Comparing it side by side against any other manifold make them look like jokes (even ITB's).
unfortunately we don't have enough time to dyno tune the intake in time for this weekend (NHRA @ Sears Point) however we will giving a more detailed report on it soon.
this BLING pix just for you ITR freakz.... haha...
extra thanks to Larry @ ENDYN. Some people are skeptical about the manifold but once you see it in person, you can tell a lot of thought went into it. Comparing it side by side against any other manifold make them look like jokes (even ITB's).
unfortunately we don't have enough time to dyno tune the intake in time for this weekend (NHRA @ Sears Point) however we will giving a more detailed report on it soon.
this BLING pix just for you ITR freakz.... haha...
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (GhettoRacer)
Damn, that ***** blingin! Nice! All we need are some dyno sheets after that post about the AEBS manifold.
PS - It looks like you have double mint gum in your ear.. hahaha j/p
PS - It looks like you have double mint gum in your ear.. hahaha j/p
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List price $1895, currently still on introductory special. $1200 from ENDYN. This manifold fits PR3 (B16A/ITR) and P72 (GSR) heads.
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Re: (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And there are usually people from the RR Forum chasing him</TD></TR></TABLE>.
Dammit, I missed later parts of it. CB is/was a complete tool in that thread. I wanted to see what other BS others had to say. As usual, I'm not happy with the use of moderation on it... that should've be been a simple lock down.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dumb Question: How is the carbon fibre bonded to the metal parts of the intake? Is there any chance of it coming loose over time, with all the heat and vibration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Aerospace epoxy resin has come a long way... I'm not sure of what is used exactly but I don't think that's something to worry about.
Dammit, I missed later parts of it. CB is/was a complete tool in that thread. I wanted to see what other BS others had to say. As usual, I'm not happy with the use of moderation on it... that should've be been a simple lock down.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dumb Question: How is the carbon fibre bonded to the metal parts of the intake? Is there any chance of it coming loose over time, with all the heat and vibration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Aerospace epoxy resin has come a long way... I'm not sure of what is used exactly but I don't think that's something to worry about.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GhettoRacer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.As usual, I'm not happy with the use of moderation on it... that should've be been a simple lock down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Frank you know how to contact me if you have a question/concern (shut up RJ)
This thread really wasnt of relevance to the RR forum because Intake manifolds are not 'free' under the current rule book and without dyno results, all we have is a pretty looking header (shut up RJ!!!)
And i'm not leaving the trash/dirty laundry to air out on the board. Its not needed, chris showed a total lack of self control in blasting you for no good reason. At least you were civil (thanks, btw) and chris is now banned. I'll let him back later when he stops going on late-nite drunk tirades.
Sorry for the OT post here (shut up RJ!!!!!!!) back to your regularly scheduled bling.
Frank you know how to contact me if you have a question/concern (shut up RJ)
This thread really wasnt of relevance to the RR forum because Intake manifolds are not 'free' under the current rule book and without dyno results, all we have is a pretty looking header (shut up RJ!!!)
And i'm not leaving the trash/dirty laundry to air out on the board. Its not needed, chris showed a total lack of self control in blasting you for no good reason. At least you were civil (thanks, btw) and chris is now banned. I'll let him back later when he stops going on late-nite drunk tirades.
Sorry for the OT post here (shut up RJ!!!!!!!) back to your regularly scheduled bling.
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Re: (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dumb Question: How is the carbon fibre bonded to the metal parts of the intake? Is there any chance of it coming loose over time, with all the heat and vibration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
heh I was thinking the same thing... doesnt appear to look secure enough.. esp after some wear and tear (time) looks nice though.. hopefully the epoxy stays on
Dumb Question: How is the carbon fibre bonded to the metal parts of the intake? Is there any chance of it coming loose over time, with all the heat and vibration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
heh I was thinking the same thing... doesnt appear to look secure enough.. esp after some wear and tear (time) looks nice though.. hopefully the epoxy stays on
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (vtecvoodoo)
i want to see proof of the IM making the same power as ITBs to justify its price, seeing that they are in the same price range. 
for a nice IM for sure though
for a nice IM for sure though
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (GhettoRacer)
Hmmm.... $1200 for a bling bling carbon fiber IM, or less than $200 for a not so shiny AEBS intake. No dynos or other test data to verify that either is better than stock. I think I'll punt.
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (b19coupe)
actually there is lots of test data and dynos that prove that the endyne intake manifold is MUCH better than stock, i saw a flow chart with it vs itbs... guess what won.. plus it doesnt have some of the difficulties itbs can lead to...
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (b19coupe)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm from Missouri... the show me state. 
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lol for 1200 for a IM that looks pretty , hope it can back up its claims .
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol for 1200 for a IM that looks pretty , hope it can back up its claims .
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Ahh you are right, I just glanced over the rules and thought cylinder up is free... but then it went on to say honda parts only for the manifold. I need to print them out and study carefully.
I always give you on moderation effort... just have opinions on the method.... anyways. That's that.
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on moderation effort... just have opinions on the method.... anyways. That's that.
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (dmotoguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dmotoguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually there is lots of test data and dynos that prove that the endyne intake manifold is MUCH better than stock, i saw a flow chart with it vs itbs... guess what won.. plus it doesnt have some of the difficulties itbs can lead to... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Where is this test data that you make claims of??
This?? http://advancedinductionresear...a.htm
That's not proof
Where is this test data that you make claims of??
This?? http://advancedinductionresear...a.htm
That's not proof
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Re: all motor's most wanted?! :) (Big Phat R)
i would think that if this(or any) aftermarket manifold flows alot better than stock the throttle body and intake/filter become the bottleneck... what size tb and what style intake are the guys running that have this manifold for NA?
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Re: (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dumb Question: How is the carbon fibre bonded to the metal parts of the intake? Is there any chance of it coming loose over time, with all the heat and vibration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is a little more than going on with heat and vibration. Associated with heat is thermal expansion. I don't have the coefficients of thermal expansion handy, but Carbon fiber does expand at a different rate than Aluminum. This means either one part is trying to "sqush down" or pull apart from the other. Since expansion is more or less a direct relationship on temperature, it is possible to see huge temperature fluctuations of starting the car in the dead of winter in Chicago and then after about 20 minutes to be on high way speeds @ 4k rpm or more... The only metal I know of that has a similar expansion rate as carbon fiber is titanium.
Also, using Aluminum presents the issue of galvanic corrosion between the carbon fiber and the mounting plate. Unless they put in an insulator between the two materials, they may corrode, and even if they do put in an insulator, it may still corrode given the right conditions...
Epoxies have come a long way, but I am not sure if there is a single magic epoxy that can address the issues of: thermal expansion, galvanic corrosion, and vibration fatigue in addition to anything else I may have forgotten/left out.
Edit: The LCRTM manufacturing technique is pretty intersting. LC stuff has been around for a while, but I haven't seen it applied to too many applications. RTM is one of the lesser used construction techniques, as it presents it's own unique manufacturing issues, but in the case of this intake manifold, it shouldn't present too much of a problem in the finished product. I'd actually like to see one of these things get made--be pretty cool to watch.
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Dumb Question: How is the carbon fibre bonded to the metal parts of the intake? Is there any chance of it coming loose over time, with all the heat and vibration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is a little more than going on with heat and vibration. Associated with heat is thermal expansion. I don't have the coefficients of thermal expansion handy, but Carbon fiber does expand at a different rate than Aluminum. This means either one part is trying to "sqush down" or pull apart from the other. Since expansion is more or less a direct relationship on temperature, it is possible to see huge temperature fluctuations of starting the car in the dead of winter in Chicago and then after about 20 minutes to be on high way speeds @ 4k rpm or more... The only metal I know of that has a similar expansion rate as carbon fiber is titanium.
Also, using Aluminum presents the issue of galvanic corrosion between the carbon fiber and the mounting plate. Unless they put in an insulator between the two materials, they may corrode, and even if they do put in an insulator, it may still corrode given the right conditions...
Epoxies have come a long way, but I am not sure if there is a single magic epoxy that can address the issues of: thermal expansion, galvanic corrosion, and vibration fatigue in addition to anything else I may have forgotten/left out.
Edit: The LCRTM manufacturing technique is pretty intersting. LC stuff has been around for a while, but I haven't seen it applied to too many applications. RTM is one of the lesser used construction techniques, as it presents it's own unique manufacturing issues, but in the case of this intake manifold, it shouldn't present too much of a problem in the finished product. I'd actually like to see one of these things get made--be pretty cool to watch.
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George
