I Trying to deside what to buy for my R the Mugen Lowdown or the TEIN HA. The car is a daily driver plus I will be doing some auto-cross. Just want to here some input.

 

If you got the cash, get the MUGEN lowdown. Their products are top-notch.

 

Tein HA is 16way adjustable, Mugen is 5way adjustable.

Just keep that in mind.

 

What the hell does 16 way vs. 5 way have to do with how well the suspension performs?

Keep that in mind.

 

'How many people now how to properly set up a suspension?' is a better question.

Like you're gonna ever need 16 levels of adjustment....maybe if you're Tommi Makkinen

 

guys calm down. I didn't even MENTION which one is a better suspension...sigh



I did not say mugen is bad. You mugen fans should calm down.

I just said that so that the guy knows about this, in case if he needs the extra adjustability or for whatever reason.

MAN


[Modified by Saga, 3:43 PM 8/15/2001]

 

Also, TEIN HA is coilover, and Mugen Lowdown is not!!
But how many of you really adjust the height more than once a year with your coilvoer!!

 

Bling factor baby. It's what powers half this board.

<duck and cover>
Warren

 

RoFL.... gee some people are touchy about their suspension

 

no doubt.

I had the HA on mine and was very happy with it; I guess the easiest way to choose is whether or not you want infinite ride-height adjustability - if so, get the HA.

 

I prefer the TEIN HA's to the Mugen but that is perception as I have not driven a setup with the Low Downs.

Persoanlly if I was to change today I woudl go to Zeal Function B6's

 

The height adjustablility with the coilovers came in really handy when I had to tow my car, I jacked it way up so it wouldnt scratch the chin.

 

Why not think about Zeal B2's???

-6 way adj
-ride height adj
-light weight

but between Tein HA or Mugen.... I will go Mugen.

 

You know AJ PwR....I think you are reading my mind.... hehe

 

If you wanted to get your suspension professionally tuned down the road then you would want the coilover to corner balance the car with, correct? In that case I would go for the Tein's

 

This is something I was also thinking about. I use my car mainly for spirited driving and autox and want something that is just going to work. No hassles. No constant fiddling and tweaking. I want to drive the silly thing, not sit in my driveway endlessly turning screws, adjusting bolts and tweaking settings.

That's why the Mugen setup seems nice. From what I've read, it works. Sure it's not quite as customizable, but it does what it's supposed to and improves the car noticeably.

Where can we get some info online about the Zeal setup? How does the price compare to the others?

 

Mugen and TEIN both have SHock rebound and compression adjustment as I understand it. Height only needs to be adjusted once and isn't something you would want to sit in the driveway and tinker with. Set it at install and leave it.

As for the rebound and compression this is priceless on a good suspension IMO. I won't buy another set of shocks that aren't adjustable (Unless they are for the Jeep Cherokee)

 

Have you considered the NA's? Progressive single spring so more comfy if a street car. Same shock as the HA. Non-coil-over fo bolt on and drive (no corner weighting). Lastly, much cheaper than all the above and will give you money left over for other mods.

 

Dan,

How would you compare the overall performance value for AutoX and street use between the Tein NA and the Mugen? Saving $500 or so is a nice thing.

 

I run the Apex-I n1 coilovers on my ITR, Because the car is constantly changing , (IE: weight is being removed and moved.) Every time I decide to pull more weight out I like having the ability to readjust the suspension. I also have access to a set of race scales and alignment rack, my car has been corner weighted at least 4 times this summer already. It makes a huge difference in the way the car performs on the track.

On the other hand, This is not cost effective. In my case it just happens to work out for me. My buddy bought the scales for $1300+, And I have the alignment rack at work, on top of that I got a sweet deal on the N-1s. With out this I would have installed them and left the suspension be.

Last point: FROM MY EXPERIANCE, I measure everything when I install adjustable coilovers. When I put the car on the scales it has been with in 2% of being a 50/50 balance (corner-weighted). This has happened every time with different honda cars and suspension. Point being take your time and even without scales the car SHOULD be pretty well set-up.

SOOO pick what you are going to do with the car and how far you are going to go. Its cheaper to spend a little extra now than deciding later its time to remove the non-adjustable coilovers and install upgrades.

Mattj


[Modified by Dropspeed, 7:44 AM 8/16/2001]

 

I ran the NA's for a 1 and a half and have had the HA's for 4 months now. I think the HA's linear rates are just as comfortable as the NA progressive rates and far beyond in the ability to handle. THe NA's have really tall springs if you want to drop the minimum of 1.5"-1.75" you will end up compressing a LOT of the progressive coils. This is just me opinion between the HA and the NA. On a budget the NA's are good but the HA"s are great.

Here is a quick question. HA's sell for $1250 what is a typical Low Down setup cost?

 

I know you are some kind of AutoX god, but I wonder if you have ever tried anything besides Truechoice? If so, what didn't you like about them?

 

I believe the Lowdown is $1400

 

Get the Mugen Lowdown, or the TEIN NA, they both are excellent for street/track use. Or the Apexi N1, but the spring rate on is way too soft. I would just get the Mugen N1 damper anyone heard of CRUX shocks 30 stages adjustable or the MOTON? I wonder good they are.

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97 R 58
01 F150 5.4 Supercrew
97 M3 4 Dr.

 

Why would you put the low down at $1400 against the NA at $950? THe HA is less than the Low down and much better (IMO) than the NA. Seems like a better comparison is the Zeal Function B2 vs the TEIN HA vs the Mugen Low Down. We are now at least in similar performance and price range.