I am going to be picking up a 94 teg LS, I am wondering is the H22A swap easy in the teg?? Or is it easier to swap a B series???

I was told the H swap is very easy..

Anyone? I need torque...

 

There's alot to consider. The main thing is the weight difference. You will be adding around 100 plus pounds in the front which will lead to wicked understeer.
Go here for more in depth info. http://www.team-integra.net/se...ID=23 One of Michel Delaney's articles. Take the time to read it all.

 

Get matching OBD versions or at least an OBD-1 motor, or you'll be doing a lot of wiring with an OBD-2 motor.

 

Cant link up to the site due to bitchy internet acting up. But does the H22 mount in the same places as the B-series?

 

Not sure. I do know you will lose our AC and Power Steering though.

 

Not true, for the most part. I hear the H22A is only 75 more pounds up front than a B-series, maybe as much as a full turbo kit.

I've even heard autocrossers say it doesn't affect steering characteristics worth mentioning. On top of that, if understeer is a concern, upgrade your rear sway bar.

For a 90-93, the mounts are in completely different places and need to be welded in to fit properly, and for a 94-01, either Hasport or Place Racing (maybe both) make mount kits that make it fit perfectly.

AC/Pwr steering... I'm pretty certain A/C is gone no matter what unless you custom weld the A/C compressor bracket and probably relocate lines. I know for certain it's easier to remove PS, but a few 94-01's did get their PS to fit, and they're on this board somewhere. I think I got it all...

 

Your info is hear say mine is from a respected tuner. But this is the internet.

Hasport and Place Racing make mounting kits. You are correct sir.

 

So no matter what you will lose AC?

 

Stick with b-series, you'll thank yourself later. A 2.0 will suit your torque needs just fine.

 

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Why is that? IS H a hassle? I hate B series, so weak and torqueless, and I dont want to do some gh3y CRVtec crap, that would probly be way more hassles. Please give me more info.

Thanks!

 

i believe with the hasport mounts, you have to completely take off the pass. mount bracket, and weld a new one on, with place racing, you only have to cut a little bit. sounds like a lot of work, but i bet monster garage could put that engine in the car in less than a day!

 

So there is no way around losing the AC and power steering??? That sounds kinda wack..

 

I have this swap done in my 94 teg Ls. The motor is a 2001 h22a. Got the mounts from Hasport, and yes the a/c and power steering are totally gone, pulleys go underneath the framerail. The wiring was a big pain in the asscrack also.

 

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Fucc! I guess I have to stick with torqueless B series, IS there no way around this at all???

 

ya, dont buy a honda if you want torque

 

an h22 swap is not as hard as people make it out to be...its no walk in the park but it can be done by anyone who is willing to do work...

I have a 98 jdm h22 swap in my integra and i did it all myself..i used the hcp kit...it costs half the price of the hasport kit and works just as good... The handling is only noticed if u have stock suspension... It handles fine..

The difference in handling is not caused because of the extra weight but because of the way the mount kits position the motor... Before i had my h22 in my car, I used to have a b20 in my integra. I had kyb's with neuspeed race springs... I thought I had torque...

I switched out the neuspeed springs and put in eibach sportlines.. I then put in the h22... my car with the h22 and sportlines handles way better than with the b20 and neuspeeds... the torque on the b20 feels like a joke compared to the h22... I sold my b20 and had my car down for 7 months b4 i did my h22 swap and i can tell u it was definitely worth the wait...

SilTeg, I see u are from mt. laurel,i am about 20 mins from u, i can take u for a ride in my car and clear up all myths u might have about the swap....

HCP and hasport now make mounts for u to keep ps and ac

 

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Thank Christ you gave me usefull information! Thanks!!!

So keeping the AC and the PS is just a matter of getting the right mounts? How much do they cost??

 

The JDM H22 is 220 HP Right?? And the USDM is 200 right?? What about torque??

I need torque! The B16 just doesnt cut it.

 

92-96 US H22 is 190hp
97 and up US H22 is 200hp
92-96 JDM H22 is 200hp
97 and up JDM H22 is 207hp... &lt;--- This is what i have
H22 type S has 220hp...

All h22's have about 160ft-lb of torque..but the number quickly rises with mods
I have exhaust/intake/jun 3 chipped ecu/advanced timing/plugs/wires/lightened flywheel..

I think I am close to 220hp and 180lb ft of torue..probably running close to high 13's

I dont know exactly how much the mounts cost, they should be about $125 for each of them... dont quote me on this, u can contact Newman on this site for prices or go to http://www.hcpengineering.com and http://www.hasport.com for prices

 

Wow some of you guys are seriously confused . . .

The weight penalty is an internet myth. My frinds friend said, etc . . . It's 75 pound which has no tangeable effect on car handling. I've road raced a few H22 civics (including my own) so I am speaking from direct experience.

Use the HCP mount kit.

H22A works fine with AC AND PS. PS requires 1 TIG weld to mate the H22 and Integra high pressure lines together.

For A/C, get the HCP EGAC bracket. You will have to modify it to work with the integra compressor, but it works. I've done it personally, so, again, I do know what I'm talking about.

I have pics that I need to upload . . .

 

can you show the PS connection that you have to modify. I'm in research process, have all the money just checkin up the last few things, and i plan on keeping my PS but not AC. also does it have to be tig welded, i've gotta mig welder, but i dunno if it would work

 

The joint is too fine for a MIG weld, at least based on my opinion & experience.

I have a local welding shop do it. Costs about $30 each time.

HTH
Jeff

 

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I need torque! The B16 just doesnt cut it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

B18's have quite a bit more than B16's. Also, you can modify your car to give it more torque. But there is definitly nothing wrong with an H22... I'd boost the integra you have for the same ammount of money and make more power. just my .02 though. Sorry i didn't help you with your question... Good luck with the swap if you do it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jeff652 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow some of you guys are seriously confused . . .

The weight penalty is an internet myth. My frinds friend said, etc . . . It's 75 pound which has no tangeable effect on car handling. I've road raced a few H22 civics (including my own) so I am speaking from direct experience.

Use the HCP mount kit.

H22A works fine with AC AND PS. PS requires 1 TIG weld to mate the H22 and Integra high pressure lines together.

For A/C, get the HCP EGAC bracket. You will have to modify it to work with the integra compressor, but it works. I've done it personally, so, again, I do know what I'm talking about.

I have pics that I need to upload . . .

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jeff652 &gt; *.n00b

Thanks!!!! your teh man! Please post pics.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jeff652 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow some of you guys are seriously confused . . .

The weight penalty is an internet myth. My frinds friend said, etc . . . It's 75 pound which has no tangeable effect on car handling. I've road raced a few H22 civics (including my own) so I am speaking from direct experience.

Use the HCP mount kit.

H22A works fine with AC AND PS. PS requires 1 TIG weld to mate the H22 and Integra high pressure lines together.

For A/C, get the HCP EGAC bracket. You will have to modify it to work with the integra compressor, but it works. I've done it personally, so, again, I do know what I'm talking about.

I have pics that I need to upload . . .

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You da man

I would also like to see pics