Who is more powerful or are they equivalent?

JRSC @ 6psi JDM B16-Civic EX 1995
Stock: 170hp 111Tq. Curb Weight. 2,443 lbs.

JRSC @ 6psi B18C1 Integra GSR 2001
Stock: 170hp 121Tq Curb Weight. 2,672 lbs.

 

The GSR would produce more HP and Torque. Not much, but it'll be more.
If you raced these 2 in the 1/4 mile your probably talking about a car length or less if you had equivalent drivers.

 

is it me or do those cars seem heavy, well at least the civic does to me, im not too familiar with integra weights. but that would be a great match up with equal drivers

 

[is it me or do those cars seem heavy, well at least the civic does to me]
i would put my money on the civic, but i think it'll be a damn close race

 

From jacksonracing.com website.

GSR w/ jrsc @ 6psi
150whp and 115ft/lbs torque stock
208whp and 153ft/lbs torque with jrsc


b16 w/ jrsc @ 6psi
138whp and 98ft/lbs torque stock
190.8 and 138ft/lbs torque with jrsc


Id take the gsr!

liam

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liam821 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From jacksonracing.com website.

GSR w/ jrsc @ 6psi
150whp and 115ft/lbs torque stock
208whp and 153ft/lbs torque with jrsc


b16 w/ jrsc @ 6psi
138whp and 98ft/lbs torque stock
190.8 and 138ft/lbs torque with jrsc


Id take the gsr!

liam</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nice way to show results!

 

those dynos arent tuned very well. a couple of locals have jrsc's. one is a gsr that went and got it tuned and hes up to 223whp on STOCK ECU. another is a type r with the jrsc and hes puttin down 229whp tuned on stock ecu.

edit: they are both on 6psi too!
oh yea a jdm b16 with hondata and jrsc can be made to put out 230whp but thats not the stock unit

 

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I feel that these aren't great comparisons, for the fact that only the GSR is shown as having been dynoed running 6psi. Who knows what psi the B16 was running as it doesn't say.
If you go to http://www.jacksonracing.com/p....html you will notice that there are several cars on there list that have been dynoed. Some are running 3.8 psi, 5psi, 6psi, etc. and some do not even specify.

Get my point?

How can we truly compare the two???


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liam821 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From jacksonracing.com website.

GSR w/ jrsc @ 6psi
150whp and 115ft/lbs torque stock
208whp and 153ft/lbs torque with jrsc


b16 w/ jrsc @ 6psi
138whp and 98ft/lbs torque stock
190.8 and 138ft/lbs torque with jrsc


Id take the gsr!

liam</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2camsaam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can we truly compare the two???
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Gonna have ot race him to find out.

Normally I'd say the GSR. In this case I'll say the civic.

Weight & gearing will do it.

Also the dyno plots on Jackson's web site are for a USDM B16 with only 160hp @ the flywheel.

The JDM B16A2 has the same amount of hp as the gsr. The only thing the GSR has on it is torque....and it isn't by a great margin.

 

GSR would take it but it would be a close race cause the gsr does weigh more a dyno is not a 1/4 mile estimater..

 

it also says the civic had 18's on it so that could drag out some power from the engine?

 

I didn't catch that.

There is no way a civic with 18's will be a GSr then given similar setups.

If its tje JDM B16 then I would put my money on the civic.

 

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I feel that these aren't great comparisons, for the fact that only the GSR is shown as having been dynoed running 6psi. Who knows what psi the B16 was running as it doesn't say. you will notice that there are several cars on there list that have been dynoed. Some are running 3.8 psi, 5psi, 6psi, etc. and some do not even specify.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Somewhat correct. Although the dyno is of the standard kit for each car. If the kit only boosts 3psi, thats what the dyno is of.

So if your just gonna drop on a kit on the stock motor and go...you can see the dyno as posted above.

liam

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2camsaam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">************************************ **********
I feel that these aren't great comparisons, for the fact that only the GSR is shown as having been dynoed running 6psi. Who knows what psi the B16 was running as it doesn't say.
If you go to http://www.jacksonracing.com/p....html you will notice that there are several cars on there list that have been dynoed. Some are running 3.8 psi, 5psi, 6psi, etc. and some do not even specify.

Get my point?

How can we truly compare the two???
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Read more closely... the b16 says clearly what it's running...

b16 w/ jrsc @ 6psi
138whp and 98ft/lbs torque stock
190.8 and 138ft/lbs torque with jrsc

 

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Read more closely... the b16 says clearly what it's running...

b16 w/ jrsc @ 6psi
138whp and 98ft/lbs torque stock
190.8 and 138ft/lbs torque with jrsc</TD></TR></TABLE>

OK, call me blind, but where did you see on the dyno chart that the B16 is running 6psi?
What link are you clicking on? I don't see it when clicking on the 99 Civic SI link.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liam821 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From jacksonracing.com website.

GSR w/ jrsc @ 6psi
150whp and 115ft/lbs torque stock
208whp and 153ft/lbs torque with jrsc


b16 w/ jrsc @ 6psi
138whp and 98ft/lbs torque stock
190.8 and 138ft/lbs torque with jrsc


Id take the gsr!

liam</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i think in this case there is only one thing to do , GO RACE AND FIND OUT.
someone could have a freakin ferrari and if they cant drive the car then the car sux !! but if i was a bettin man and the cars are like they are in the dynos and both drivers can drive then ima take the ........hatch i think !!! the power to weight will make up for less power plus the gearing ios better on the hatch !!!

 

its a drivers race. the gsr is heavier.. but has more power/torque. the hatch is lighter, but has less hp and torque.. but does have better gear ratios. i say race and find out.

oh yea.. i got $20 on the hatch! hehe

 

Couple of facts:

1st: Its not a hatch (funny how everyone assumed that since everyone and their mom wants a hatch or has one)
2nd: Its JDM B16A2 not an USDM one. This means that HP is the same and the GSR has around a 20 ft lbs of torque advantage.
3rd: Coupe weighs in @ about 200 pounds lighter then the GSR (and the particular GSR has a lot of stereo equipment 9y'all wouldn't know that but that is a fact).
4th: Jackson racing has no dyno plots of a JDM B16A2 on a jrsc......my guess is that the hp will be very close if not the same
5th: B16 has way better gear ratios (for some one who can drive).

I'd bet on the coupe to beat the GSR.

 

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No, proper weight... You're used too 2000lbs hatch right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Apex i ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Couple of facts:

1st: Its not a hatch (funny how everyone assumed that since everyone and their mom wants a hatch or has one)
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Well it is a hatch. The GSR doesn't have a trunk last time I checked!!

 

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Well it is a hatch. The GSR doesn't have a trunk last time I checked!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

A Civic EX is a coupe, not a hatch. That's what he's referring to, a Civic EX coupe vs Integra GSR.

edit: back from the dead to "zing" a guy?

 

well I have a gsr with jrsc and 6psi.. bring out the JRSC JDM B16-Civic...haha.. be nice to see the two cars run ...