In turbo mag's recent article a non-intercooled greddy turbo kit only made 164whp on a stock teg ls. I'm planning on boosting once i finish my suspension and brake mods and i've heard that a greddy kit would work well on the stock internals that im pushin for the mean time but 164whp sounds pretty weak, i'm assuming that intercooling it would only add 15-20 horses, but any ideas of what i could do with this kit(still being cost efective) and make 200whp on stock internals? thanks for any ideas that you might have. by the way(ive done many searches)

 

u have an ls? wuts your base whp?

 

If you think about it, 164 whp isn't bad. You figure a 15-20% loss, so that comes out to 188-197 hp. Consider a stock B18B is rated at 140 hp, and the numbers sound alright. If you want more, upgrade from the blue box to a better fuel setup, bump up the boost, upgrade your exhaust setup, and with tuning you should see some good whp.

 

i have not dyno'd mine yet but according to the mag it's 118-120 stock at the wheels

 

a guy that i work with claims that he know's what he's doin when it comes to tuning so once he finishes his crx depending on how it turns out i'll probably let him tune my teg, any ideas on a better fuel set-up for this kit

 

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My tuner's a big fan of Haltech and the A'PEXi Power FC. I've also heard good things about Hondata. Pretty much anything is better than the blue box when you need to start making power. I used the AFC hack with RC440s. It was alright, but I wish I went to something more complete now that I think back.

 

thanks! i appreciate the ideas, where can i look into getting hondadata for a decent price?

 

I guess i have to beg the quesiton as to why you want teh greddy kit? Is it because it's CARB legal? If you are itching for more power, get another kit? But 164whp isn't bad considering they problaly were rich as hell and using a stock exhaust.

I also heard rumors that greddy is including the e-manage on some of their kits?

 

i'm thinkin about the greddy because a friend of mine had one a few years ago on his eg with a built b16 and that thing was a beast! ever since then i've been all about the greddy. Any ideas of another kit that's reasonably priced that i can get good gains from on stock internals? (reliability is a must....daily driver)

 

i hit 188 hp on my gsr motor tonight. bah.

 

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Thats it . Makes me wanna sell my greddy kit. I'll be runnin the s200 too and thought that it would give more power than that.

 

Kind of off-topic but what type of whp do you guys think a 99 GSR with the Greddy kit and FMIC will make (stock exhaust and cat retained)?

 

Please do not take this write up on the greddy ls kit too serious..... For instance look at some of the other hondas they tested with the 18g greddy kit...First the prelude @ 195 whp, the civic si @220 whp, the ls teg @164 whp, ang the gsr@ 235 whp... Note that this is all w/o intercoolers and the same boost pressure...How the hell does a prelude put out less whp than the civic si???Exactly....There is somthin wrong with this picture...This is exactly how the greddy kits get a terrible wrap...Also the famous pos blue box..is it perfect???no, not exactly.I had a few cel issues with mine that could not be cured...Does it do a good job keeping a safe a/f ratio???yes, According to the fjo wideband 11.5 across the board...As a greddy kit owner, I can tell you that I have no regrets purchasing this kit...It is a very good kit for the street as well as the drags...It is capable of making 350 plus whp...How much more do u need for the street anyway???From A OWNER of the greddy kit not just another person that hears they are junk and tells everyone that that they are a pos, I can honestly tell you they are a wise kit to buy!! Hope my .02 helps....

 

Even though I own a Greddy Kit, if you plan to drag race, I would recommend a t3/t4 60 trim rather than an 18g. Even though the 18g spools up fast, for drag racing, top end matters more. But the kit is very good quality and I have had no problems with it so far. I've been boosted for almost 2 years and have done numerous autox events.

 

How does 285whp and 241ft-lbs at 14lbs sound on stock internals?



The integra i tuned had a inline pro headgasket, jg intake manifold and hondata s100 system. The downpipe was the huge restriction at this psi level, the owner is getting a custom 3" one made in the future...300whp+ on 1bar is easily possible.

 

We had a customer put down about 270whp with 11 psi on stock internals with the GReddy 18g kit. He used our blow off valve also, which is surprising, because it's designed for under 8psi, and it held the boost.

His car was light at around 2200lbs, so he should put down some good numbers at the track.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99lspwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please do not take this write up on the greddy ls kit too serious..... For instance look at some of the other hondas they tested with the 18g greddy kit...First the prelude @ 195 whp, the civic si @220 whp, the ls teg @164 whp, ang the gsr@ 235 whp... Note that this is all w/o intercoolers and the same boost pressure...How the hell does a prelude put out less whp than the civic si???Exactly....There is somthin wrong with this picture...This is exactly how the greddy kits get a terrible wrap...Also the famous pos blue box..is it perfect???no, not exactly.I had a few cel issues with mine that could not be cured...Does it do a good job keeping a safe a/f ratio???yes, According to the fjo wideband 11.5 across the board...As a greddy kit owner, I can tell you that I have no regrets purchasing this kit...It is a very good kit for the street as well as the drags...It is capable of making 350 plus whp...How much more do u need for the street anyway???From A OWNER of the greddy kit not just another person that hears they are junk and tells everyone that that they are a pos, I can honestly tell you they are a wise kit to buy!! Hope my .02 helps....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the Civic Si and Integra GSR had front mount intercoolers. I still have that issue of Import Tuner when they did the turbo kit comparison. It may still be on their website. Without the intercooler the GSR puts out about 200whp. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the Prelude kit was dyno'ed without the intercooler.

The Greddy kit is a quality kit. The lack of top end is the only issue for all of you draggers out there. I think it fills in nicely where the stock GS-R doesn't have power. The Blue Box isn't perfect but most of the problems I've seen are random misfire check engine lights. They come and go. As all of you guys probably know there is nothing you can do about that if you're OBD-2 and choose to stay OBD-2.

 

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The integra i tuned had a inline pro headgasket, jg intake manifold and hondata s100 system. The downpipe was the huge restriction at this psi level, the owner is getting a custom 3" one made in the future...300whp+ on 1bar is easily possible.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Now thats more like it

 

iiilgsr111.... If you dig up the article, it says civic si did 220 whp w/o intercooler, and 244 whp w/ intercooler. The integra gsr says 235 whp w/o intercooler, and 255 whp with the intercooler.... Not bad #s I would say....But yeah the prelude and teg ls numbers are bs.... That was my whole point.....ls was 165 and prelude was 195..Yeah both w/o intercoolers but also the civic and integra had non-intercooled #s higher than the lude.....Does not make much sense, huh....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99lspwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">iiilgsr111.... If you dig up the article, it says civic si did 220 whp w/o intercooler, and 244 whp w/ intercooler. The integra gsr says 235 whp w/o intercooler, and 255 whp with the intercooler.... Not bad #s I would say....But yeah the prelude and teg ls numbers are bs.... That was my whole point.....ls was 165 and prelude was 195..Yeah both w/o intercoolers but also the civic and integra had non-intercooled #s higher than the lude.....Does not make much sense, huh....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I just found the Integra review online and you are correct. It does make 255whp with the FMIC. I cant seem to find the Si online but I'm sure you are correct. 255whp from a very well-made kit...who can complain?

 

newbie question...........fmic = ?
-do you have a link to that article?

 

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FMIC = Front Mount Inter Cooler

 

I know I've posted this a few times, but here's my dyno sheet again:



96 GSR with 140k miles. Bone stock bottom end (head has never been off), 2.5" downpipe and 70mm exhaust. No other mods.

If I was keeping the car I'd put on the Hondata and 440's that have been sitting in the garage for over a year, and I'm sure it would improve power/mileage quite a bit. But even without that, this kit makes the car much more fun to drive on a daily basis. It's gonna be hard to get my wife to give it up

 

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-do you have a link to that article?</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.turbomagazine.com/t....html

There's 4 pages to that article. Make sure you click through all of them.

Hmm...I have the same setup as the Greddy Integra (fmic at 8.5psi) but don't think I'm making 255whp. I guess losing the stock exhaust and cat might help a bit.

 

Here's mines...



GReddy Turbo Kit w/FMIC at 5psi --&gt; 4.5psi
2.25" --&gt; 2.5" custom downpipe
Aftermarket cat --&gt; 2.5" custom exhaust piping with Magnaflow muffler from
MKteller
Hondata 3b with P28 ECU
440cc injectors
Action Stage2 clutch
91 octane

I believe that's it...