Okay, well I have been trying to decide which one to get but I still can't decide which I want!

Skunk 2 Cam gears- Lighter,more bolts(less chance of slippage)

AEM Cam Gears- Supposedly has more detailed degrees for tuning, and it shouldn't slip if you tighten it correctly , cheaper

 

Quick question. Do cam gears really make that much of a difference when tuned properly??

I got a pair for free but i didn't want to change the timing on my car. They seem like a mod that can really mess up the engine if not tuned properly.

Just curious.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quick question. Do cam gears really make that much of a difference when tuned properly??

I got a pair for free but i didn't want to change the timing on my car. They seem like a mod that can really mess up the engine if not tuned properly.

Just curious.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you might be able to squeeze a few more HP out of your motor if you have breathing mods and/or a VAFC

they are a necessity with aftermarket camshafts


AEM cam gears work fine as long as you tighten them properly, they may have less margin for error as opposed to a 6-bolt design, but if Papadakis runs them on his near 800hp+(or whatever it is) H22a im sure they are fine for a street motor

 

Ive heard that the new STR ones are better than both

 

well my gf has aem, and i have skunk2, so i have experiance w/both. to me i like the skunk2 better. they look and feel stronger, and lighter. although we havent had a prob on her set eathier. i just like having 6 bolts.

we are both going to get them tuned in the hopefully near future.

i think the best part is your able to shift the powerband to fit your driving.

 

I've got Skunk2's but I can't see there being a difference.A cam gear is a cam gear provided thay both allow for the same amount of adjustment.Plus, a cam gear is going to be limited to the type of cam you have,obviously if you have stock cams you're only going to have minimal gains as opposed to aftermarket.Don't forget about whether or not you have intake,headers or exhaust,all that comes into play as well.

 

no one cam gear performs better then any other. i wouldn't get the skunk2 or aem. I'd rather get the str or the Golden eagle ones. makes it alot easier to change the setting and alot more accurate. have u seem how close the lines are on the aem/skunk2

 

It's almost a no brainer... Skunk2 with the 6 bolts... The AEM gears only have 3 and are more prone to slipping. (Not that they will)

 

how are the str different cost wise??

 

Well I have pretty much all the basic mods
Intake,Exhaust,Header,Pulley,Ground Wires, Air Fuel Controller.
How much HP/Trq gains do you think I could get with tuning?
10/10?
Thanks!

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by frog1623 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how are the str different cost wise?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

you can get them for 160 shipped from usdmpartsgirl on here.

 

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you can get them for 160 shipped from usdmpartsgirl on here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and i sell JG gears which are 6 bolt and 249 grams A SET for 130 shipped obo.

cheaper than the competetion and for the price no one can beat it.

 

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and i sell JG gears which are 6 bolt and 249 grams A SET for 130 shipped obo.

cheaper than the competetion and for the price no one can beat it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But how easily can u read the markings and change the setting??? As easy as with the ge or str?? don't think so...

 

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But how easily can u read the markings and change the setting??? As easy as with the ge or str?? don't think so...</TD></TR></TABLE>

easy.. if you can see those markings then you shouldn't be working on your car anyways.. there are many things w/ in your motor that is smaller than that..

and guess what.. 1 degreee is 1 degree.. its not how its marked.. its still one degree ... have you thought of it that way? "i didn't think so"

AND...

for the price you can't beat the quality.

how much do the str's weigh? how many bolts?

do they compare.. "i didn't think so"




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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no one cam gear performs better then any other. i wouldn't get the skunk2 or aem. I'd rather get the str or the Golden eagle ones. makes it alot easier to change the setting and alot more accurate. have u seem how close the lines are on the aem/skunk2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

can you say contradiction...

"no one cam gear performs better then any other"

"I'd rather get the str or the Golden eagle ones.... ...and alot more accurate"

how is a SINGLE DEGREE more accurate? laser etched.. for 1 degree? you can tell that one is more accurate? give me a break

<FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="red">130 picked up per set BRAND NEW.. Can you beat that?</FONT></FONT>

don't forget.. they're 6 bolts and weigh in @ 249grams


Modified by 00 FBP ItR at 9:27 AM 8/15/2003

 

so how easy it to chang just one degree on your cam gears?? did u think of that? Diddn't think so You have a biased opinion because u sell them. Of coarse your gonna say those are the best. Y don't u compare the ease of changing the gears? or the ease of gettin it to line up on those microscopic lines. Also about the whole 6 bolt thing.. the STR's have a 5-bolt.

Lets look at your cam gear


You can't even read the markins in the pic. Your tellin me that's easy to read and change. Sure bud.

Now lets look at str's/ ge style


Wow i can see the lines with ease. Now which would be easier to change one degree???

Also how do u say i'm contradicting myself. I said no one cam gear performs better. As in you won't get any different performance gains. the difference is in the ease of reading the markings and adjusting them. Yes i now there laser marked at like i millimeter apart. Sorry but that's not that easy to read or change.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so how easy it to chang just one degree on your cam gears?? did u think of that? Diddn't think so You have a biased opinion because u sell them. Of coarse your gonna say those are the best. Y don't u compare the ease of changing the gears? or the ease of gettin it to line up on those microscopic lines. Also about the whole 6 bolt thing.. the STR's have a 5-bolt.

You can't even read the markins in the pic. Your tellin me that's easy to read and change. Sure bud.

Wow i can see the lines with ease. Now which would be easier to change one degree???

Also how do u say i'm contradicting myself. I said no one cam gear performs better. As in you won't get any different performance gains. the difference is in the ease of reading the markings and adjusting them. Yes i now there laser marked at like i millimeter apart. Sorry but that's not that easy to read or change</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm trying to give the locals the best deal out there.. U RUN THESE ON MY CAR... i've tuned it myself.. why make stupid assumptions? So i'm not bias'd.. and i tuned my car easy. did you know that i have these in my car "I didn't think so"

stupid actions = stupid concequences

Sorry if you're a complete idiot who can be precise w/ your car then don't touch these gears these are "racing products" not toys, they're marked like precisely for accuracy when tuning. I'm sorry they didn't produce idiot-proof gears.. or cam gears for dummies.


So on your your gears.. that 5 bolts.. that 1 less.. and how much do they weigh?

and also.. where is advance 5 where is retard 3..? ask the public which one is mor user friendly.. wheres the lines to match up tdc? you got tons of marks all over.. mine.. simple, line up the line w/ how ever many degrees you would like to adv/rtd

also.. look at those pics.. look at the teeth that mates w/ the timnig belt.. hmm does yours look safe? that looks a little too deap and sharp for a timing belt.
probably snap som timing belts just like AEm did


So how many pro's does the JG cam gear have over the str?

count them...

1. THE PRICE
3.6bolts
3.simple to adv/rtd
4.Teeth design
5.Weight(TBA)

hmm any other arguments?

 

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So how many pro's does the JG cam gear have over the str?

count them...

1. THE PRICE
3.6bolts
3.simple to adv/rtd
4.Teeth design
5.Weight(TBA)

hmm any other arguments?
</TD></TR></TABLE>

1. ok i'll give u price.
2. 6 or 5 bolts don't matter. all that means is you'll have to loosen and tighten one more bolt.
3. sorry but the golden eagle/ str style is easier to adv/ret. Should they make a how to read cam gears for dummies just so u know which is advanve/retard.
4. How can u even tell the teeth design when lookin at that pic. It's not even sized right nor is the resolution good.
5. who cares.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no one cam gear performs better then any other. i wouldn't get the skunk2 or aem. I'd rather get the str or the Golden eagle ones. makes it alot easier to change the setting and alot more accurate. have u seem how close the lines are on the aem/skunk2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

this is not completly true, I use to run the old JG Crazy gears, ate my timeing belt and bent 5 valves, thank god for JG's fine quality. bastards. But he is right about STR, what i have now, they are a lot easier.

 

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this is not completly true, I use to run the old JG Crazy gears, ate my timeing belt and bent 5 valves, thank god for JG's fine quality. bastards. But he is right about STR, what i have now, they are a lot easier. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Improper install, Improper tension.

This the 1st case yet, I've seen them run on 500-700whp.. stock timing belt, no snapping here.

 

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1. ok i'll give u price.
2. 6 or 5 bolts don't matter. all that means is you'll have to loosen and tighten one more bolt.
3. sorry but the golden eagle/ str style is easier to adv/ret. Should they make a how to read cam gears for dummies just so u know which is advanve/retard.
4. How can u even tell the teeth design when lookin at that pic. It's not even sized right nor is the resolution good.
5. who cares.</TD></TR></TABLE>

3. Point it out, I'm asking you/public.. to see if they can even get it right.

5. who cares?
lighter weight reduces the rotational mass.. but i guess who cares about that..

 

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i'm trying to give the locals the best deal out there.. U RUN THESE ON MY CAR... i've tuned it myself.. why make stupid assumptions? So i'm not bias'd.. and i tuned my car easy. did you know that i have these in my car "I didn't think so"

stupid actions = stupid concequences

Sorry if you're a complete idiot who can be precise w/ your car then don't touch these gears these are "racing products" not toys, they're marked like precisely for accuracy when tuning. I'm sorry they didn't produce idiot-proof gears.. or cam gears for dummies.


So on your your gears.. that 5 bolts.. that 1 less.. and how much do they weigh?

and also.. where is advance 5 where is retard 3..? ask the public which one is mor user friendly.. wheres the lines to match up tdc? you got tons of marks all over.. mine.. simple, line up the line w/ how ever many degrees you would like to adv/rtd

also.. look at those pics.. look at the teeth that mates w/ the timnig belt.. hmm does yours look safe? that looks a little too deap and sharp for a timing belt.
probably snap som timing belts just like AEm did


So how many pro's does the JG cam gear have over the str?

count them...

1. THE PRICE
3.6bolts
3.simple to adv/rtd
4.Teeth design
5.Weight(TBA)

hmm any other arguments?
</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a marking on the str for TDC, its the triangle in the middle. I can see that clear as day. The jg's are extremely hard to use. Because the str's have the markings on the edge instead of in the center, there is more room between markings giving you a more accurate reading. I'd need a laser and a microscope to adjust the jg's.

1). I'll gladly pay $30 more for gears i can read without the assistance of nasa.
2) 6, 5, or 3.....doesnt matter. If you tighten them they wont slip.
3) The STR is easier to adjust then the JG.
4) I'm not seeing whats so special about the JG teeth
5) how do you claim the weight without stats on which is lighter?
6) if you didnt sell these you wouldnt be posting this. You;re like the chevy dealer telling me that cavilier you're tryin to sell me is just as reliable as a civic.

 

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There is a marking on the str for TDC, its the triangle in the middle. I can see that clear as day. The jg's are extremely hard to use. Because the str's have the markings on the edge instead of in the center, there is more room between markings giving you a more accurate reading. I'd need a laser and a microscope to adjust the jg's.

1). I'll gladly pay $30 more for gears i can read without the assistance of nasa.
2) 6, 5, or 3.....doesnt matter. If you tighten them they wont slip.
3) The STR is easier to adjust then the JG.
4) I'm not seeing whats so special about the JG teeth
5) how do you claim the weight without stats on which is lighter?
6) if you didnt sell these you wouldnt be posting this. You;re like the chevy dealer telling me that cavilier you're tryin to sell me is just as reliable as a civic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Talk about exaggeration... NASA

when did i claim that the JG's were lighter? I put TBA.. READ IT OVER

and I would post this b/c i'm all about function over fashion, it works the same, its high quality, it fits the demands.. I just want people to see whats out there.. I'm not a business promoting JG..

Get your facts straight

 

btw&gt; You'll most likely gain about 3hp from cam gears. IMO I'd put that $$ towards a set of 11:1 wiseco pistons

of course i'm burning oil and want to change my pistons anyhow so maybe I'm a little biased lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjr162 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw&gt; You'll most likely gain about 3hp from cam gears. IMO I'd put that $$ towards a set of 11:1 wiseco pistons

of course i'm burning oil and want to change my pistons anyhow so maybe I'm a little biased lol </TD></TR></TABLE>

3hp, are you kidding me?

Get a tuning session w/ a real tuner, like.. IB Jeff, The Doc. for the so cali head.

Nice choice of pistons though.. i would go 11.6 or so thoigh.