what is the least expensive way to put a 90 honda prelude w/ a b21a1 into the 12 second range?

 

can anyone help, i wanna start my build up around mid/late fall, but i want to know the best way first, or atleast have some ideas besides mine and some friends of mine's

 

you want to have a 12 second lude???

turbo, N2O, and way too much money.

EDIT: give a question more then an hour before you bump it i some way.

 

too much time and money..its going to be expensive no matter what

 

You're starting with totally the wrong platform to go 12's. Sell your prelude and get a 1993 with the H22A1, build the motor, turbo it (or turbo the stock motor if it's in good condition), get a Quaife, slicks, suspension. The B21 motors are not a good motor to build on, and nothing bolts into the 3G prelude easily (someone I think makes a mount kit for B series and maybe H series, but that'll cost you another $500)
Brian

 

Umm you dont need slicks to run 12's in a 4th gen lude

 

this is true, you can get into the 13's easily w/enough nos
+a turbo, 12 ya go yo

 

dude my friends lude ran a best 13.2 w/just nos on a stock
motor w 180000 mi on it, oh yeah stock clutch

 

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Yes you do. Maybe not if the car is completely gutted with just a passenger seat and a fuel cell, but if it's a street legal prelude, you need slicks.

SKDRCR: Your friend's clutch will last a couple of runs, and you're at 800 ft altitude (very close to sea level). Your friend is probably going to blow his motor as well.

Not like I know anything, or have a 12 second prelude
Brian

 

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Yes you do. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Come on now. Lets be realistic. I'm running a 13.6 on khumos with roughly 220 whp. I can easily shave a tenth or two off my 60' with some BFG drag radials. With a 2.0 60' I'd be looking at 13.2s. With some real horsepower and a good 60' twelves on street tires are very realistic. Also gutting my interior only saved me 150 lbs. ie .15 seconds.
Edit: build the block and boost the hell out of it. Don't listen to the ignorant people that included nitrous in the list. Pick turbo or nitrous and stick with it. KISS.

 

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Come on now. Lets be realistic. I'm running a 13.6 on khumos with roughly 220 whp. I can easily shave a tenth or two off my 60' with some BFG drag radials. With a 2.0 60' I'd be looking at 13.2s. With some real horsepower and a good 60' twelves on street tires are very realistic. Also gutting my interior only saved me 150 lbs. ie .15 seconds.
Edit: build the block and boost the hell out of it. Don't listen to the ignorant people that included nitrous in the list. Pick turbo or nitrous and stick with it. KISS. </TD></TR></TABLE>

When you go 12's, let me know what kind of tires you're using They'll be slicks, because when you're making some real power you'll blow away those drag radials like they were nothing in the top of first, second, and maybe third. I'm realistic because I've done it, doesn't get more real than that. My 60ft on 22 inch SLICKS was a 1.96 for the 12.71 run, with a Quaife and full suspension. Your car doesn't have issues yet because as you said, you're making roughly 220 whp. Yeah, you might shave off a tenth running BFGs, but that is at your current power level. Make another 100 whp and then try getting decent 60ft's out of any kind of drag radial.

If someone with a 12 second prelude NOT running slicks wants to post up a vid showing the tires, then the run, I'll shut my mouth. I'd be lucky if my car were a high 13 second car on drag radials. Granted, I'm running at mile high altitude, but I don't think on a boosted car a mile of elevation will drop a full second of ET.....

Brian

 

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When you go 12's, let me know what kind of tires you're using </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sounds fair. When I get 12s I'll let you know. I'm shooting for 12s by the NPM '04 meet, but it'll probably be in '05 unless I get some huge chunk of change from a distant uncle.

 

Get the JDM B20 motor it doesn't have the terrible first generation FRP cylinder walls. If you bore that, sleeve it head work, built bottom end and spray as much nitrous as it will suck in... you just might make it.

 

my brother just got a set of the gForce's because beaver springs won't stick any sports compact in the 100 mph club if they are using slicks anymore (12.91 @ 110 IIRC with decently small slicks). He'll be running the gForce's friday, and I might try the slicks on my nearly stock lude. We'll be able to see what difference it makes. My guess is a buttload. With the true slicks he could dump it from something like 7000 rpm's or something goofy and still grab. I'll tell you my potenzas and the toyos i've had couldn't do this... they'd tend to bounce instead of grab. Putting 270+ hp to the wheels and expecting stock size street tires to hold is just dumb thinking

 

get the H22, build it and you know the rest....but it will cost lots of $$$

dont be suprised if it runs into 5 digits or close to it

 

Umm just because you dont know how to use nitrous correctly i don't put my times out there sorry. but use your brain here on this one as laughinxxxx is a very smart man we had a spat eralier but anyways. 75 shot on jdm h22a WITHA 2.0426 was my best 60ft nitrous is best used out of the whole you get the biggest gains there if you can hook up learn how to drive 12's on drag radialrs are now hard if you can DRIVE spray out of the whole and get it to hook 225 50 15 bfg drag radials g'force. and the car has full inetrior i took the box and the spare tire out thats all.

 

LOL, when you're going 12's on 225 drag radials in a full weight prelude, like I said, let me know

Brian

 

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Brian
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I think he just did let you know.

 

so what exactly can i do to atleast get into the thirteens in a 90 prelude, it well be lightened more when i try this, i just really want to get a good 1/4 time in the spring, so what is the best thing to do? i only have basic mods right now, intake, full exaust (headers, hollow cat, all the back) so i havent even really started yet


***with the engine i have now, no swap

 

where can i get a turbo kit at, i dont feel like going completly custon on that, but it seems the only way to do so

*also, what a fast inexpensive way to get some horse power quick and well my headers (when i get time to put them on) make a real difference



Modified by prdtr15 at 1:04 AM 8/11/2003

 

This guys knows the car and can varify what it does first hand just because you can do it doesnt mean it can not be done and when i finishes his car it will do the same. laughinxxxx when you gonna get some bfg's? to show these nonbelievers

 

Speaking of fast Qm times, what do you think would be the fastest time on an NA 5th gen prelude, with nice slicks, and anything else you can think of, except a turbo and NOS?

 

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I'm building a spare block right now and will add an aluminum flywheel and a beefier clutch into the equation before I go to the track again. On the day that I ran the 13.6 I tore through my Exedy organic clutch with a 5k rpm launch and the spray. I was launching at 3k(Since that is all that the clutch would hold) and trying to hook 2nd properly(Just a hint of wheelhop there) when I ran the 13.6.

I'm working on building a more powerful motor, so that I won't have to rely on as much nitrous. When all is said and done I'll probably have to run octane booster when I spray, but that's something I'm willing to live with.

You might as well let this argument go. The only way to win it is for a prelude to run 12s on street tires. It's the old "Put up or shut up" saying. I can't put up the numbers right now, so I'll shut up.

 

just out of curiousity, but a 5K launch on street tires? Hell my car just starts doing the Honda Hop.. you know the *BANG BANG BANG*. doing that's not a very good launch

 

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Every car is different, every driver is different, and every track is different. Think before you type, or someone might bring up the 7k rpm PreludeLC launch and make you look like fool...oh wait. Nevermind.