00 ITR 17K B18C5
stock bottom end
Minor headwork
Mugen headgasket
270cc RC injectors
Spoon 70mm throttle body
AEM CAI
JUN Stage 3 cams, valve springs, retainers and cam gears
Exedy flywheel and street clutch--(had JUN flywheel and ACT clutch before)JUN header and full exhaust w/gutted catJUN ECU
Homemade catch-can
removed AC and power steering
Car makes 198.6 whp and 133 ft lbs torque.
best time at e-town with car fully gutted and slicks with skinnys was 12.8 at 106 mphTried hondata and car didnt make anymore power.
On the dyno graph car doesn't make power over the 8200 rpm level.
what do you think?

 

could be header/exh, or just poor tuning.

Btw, those are actually pretty decent numbers considering you haven`t altered the compression much.

 

Really good numbers, for what you have! I would just spend some time tunning a little more! Good luck!

 

Pretty similar to this?



He has the JUN pistons, so I'd say you're doing pretty good.

 

could be since your headwork is only " minor" that its not done up right to make power in higher rpms.

just cause you hit your peak power at 8200. its not like you took a drastic dip after that, its not the smoothest graph, but its not bad.

your header could be changed out as well.

i think those are great numbers.

 

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best time at e-town with car fully gutted and slicks with skinnys was 12.8 at 106 mph</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you have to be making well over 198.6 whp to be pulling those times and trap speeds....

 

I think its your tuning/tuner. With that set-up you should be able to break 200. See if you can stretch the powerband a little, with those juns 8,200 is pretty low for a redline. Maybe take it to a different shop to see what they can pull out of it.

 

spend more time on the dyno with TUNING

 

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I think you have to be making well over 198.6 whp to be pulling those times and trap speeds.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what I was thinking. Good times

 

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I think you have to be making well over 198.6 whp to be pulling those times and trap speeds.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

why?someone here with 197 just did a 12.9 spinnin 24 inch slicks..2.1 60 foot

 

ctr pistons.

 

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I think you have to be making well over 198.6 whp to be pulling those times and trap speeds.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not at all.

So wait what exactly do you mean you "tried Hondata and it didn't work"? I find that really hard to believe that Hondata made nothign over you "JUN ECU".

 

you'll need higher compression to really benefit from those big cams.

 

spent at least 5-6 hrs total on three different days and that was all the hp it made.
the hondata made almost the same power. maybe 1-2 hp less than the JUN.
thanks for all the comments and suggestions

 

198whp w/ a stock ITR bottom end on JUN's is actually what you should be at, give or take a few whp, you wont make 220 w/ a stock bottom end.

edit: sorry...didnt see the JUN header part

I would ditch the JUN header and JUN ECU,

Get a SMS/Toda/Hytech header and either buy hondata or wire up a VAFC and tune the bitch the JUN ECU has to be the most over priced thing on this planet, next to womens purses

 

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NOT true

 

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So wait what exactly do you mean you "tried Hondata and it didn't work"? I find that really hard to believe that Hondata made nothign over you "JUN ECU".</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hondata didnt work for me either. I had an XS Engineering chipped P72 and replaced it with and S100 hondata system. When I got tuned with hondata, there were no gains more than 2 whp.

 

hondata will not work if you dont have a good tuner. running on a basemap will not gain you power, in most cases, you will lose power. i gain at least 10whp+ using hondata and 1 hour of tuning. my tuner is very familiar with hondata system and knows how to tweak right away after 1st run baseline pull.

as for the e.t., i think he did just fine.
i went 12.9@105 with 189whp/139wtq. this is with 15 inch slicks (23.5x7.5x15).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s2geezy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i gain at least 10whp+ using hondata and 1 hour of tuning. my tuner is very familiar with hondata system and knows how to tweak right away after 1st run baseline pull.
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who is your tuner? I want to try another hondata tuner to see if I can make more power.

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i went 12.9@105 with 189whp/139wtq. this is with 15 inch slicks (23.5x7.5x15).</TD></TR></TABLE>
What chassis did you pull your 12.9 in?
189 whp is enough to do it in a EG, but to do it in an integra chassis it will take more whp..

 

That's it?? That's pretty good numbers!

 

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oh yah and headers/tuning.

what kind of exhaust are you running

 

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What chassis did you pull your 12.9 in?
189 whp is enough to do it in a EG, but to do it in an integra chassis it will take more whp.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

s2geezy ran that time in a ITR chassis.

I have ran 12.9's also in a DC chassis with 194whp & 140 wtq. You don't need 200+ whp to run a 12 sec et in a DC chassis.

 

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s2geezy ran that time in a ITR chassis.

I have ran 12.9's also in a DC chassis with 194whp & 140 wtq. You don't need 200+ whp to run a 12 sec et in a DC chassis.</TD></TR></TABLE>


So true,

Traction, good driving skill, traction, drivers' skills and more traction = fast et's


BTW, 198whp with Jun3's with that compression is not bad.

 

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s2geezy ran that time in a ITR chassis.

I have ran 12.9's also in a DC chassis with 194whp & 140 wtq. You don't need 200+ whp to run a 12 sec et in a DC chassis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i had DRT tune the car is Queenz. he was there for hours trying to tune the car and it didnt make no more power
and he is a Pretty good tuner. Also tried a half-pipe in place of the jun muffler.