Well i've been looking for a Milano Red GSR here in Cali, i've found one or 2 but the seller was asking way to much cause the cars had alot of miles. I found a Milano red GS, 40,000 miles, black leather interior, this thing looks brand new inside and out, its perfect, exactly what i want, except its not a gsr. Now, all you guys who have either/or have driven both, do you think that I will be dissapointed in buying the GS? Should i wait for a gsr? thanks


Modified by BucsJosh at 5:24 AM 7/28/2003

 

yes you should wait for the gs-r. I've owned both, and the gs-r is much more of a blast to drive. Your patience will be rewarded.

 

You won't be disapointed with a GS.

The whole LS vs GSR thing is blown way out of purportion.

VTEC is nice, but its not the be all of end all when it comes to performance.

The B18B has more torque than the GSR up till 6,000 rpm, so it is a pretty swift car. The shorter gearing and only being in the high revs durring drag racing will make the GSR edge out the LS stock, but the difference is little, and nothing a few boltons won't fix (see sig).

My brother has a 98 GSR, and I have a 96 RS, and honestly its not that big of a difference going from his car to mine. And I pull better times than him at the strip.

Some of it comes down to what you want to do with the car, but you won't be disapointed with either.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You won't be disapointed with a GS.

The whole LS vs GSR thing is blown way out of purportion.

VTEC is nice, but its not the be all of end all when it comes to performance.

The B18B has more torque than the GSR up till 6,000 rpm, so it is a pretty swift car. The shorter gearing and only being in the high revs durring drag racing will make the GSR edge out the LS stock, but the difference is little, and nothing a few boltons won't fix (see sig).

My brother has a 98 GSR, and I have a 96 RS, and honestly its not that big of a difference going from his car to mine. And I pull better times than him at the strip.

Some of it comes down to what you want to do with the car, but you won't be disapointed with either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I couldn't disagree more. I've owned both and daily driven both. There's no comparison GSR is much better.

Why waste your money on boltons when you can have the same times with a stock gsr?

 

More mislead vtec loving

I can drive a gsr or my rs any day I want, and can compair them directly... but instead of opinionated compairing lets talk about facts.

The B18B has more torque than a GSR below 6,000rpm, better for daily driving. That means unless you are reving above 6,000rpm regularly, the B18B is making more power and accelerating faster. (not taking into consideration gearing, but the 1st and 2nd gear are very simmilar the only difference being the GSR FD).

This is why you see stock for stock LS's taking GSR's out of the hole and the GSR's passing durring 3rd gear.

I agree, boltons on a B18B probably is not the best method for speed. Why waste your money on them though? A LS is much cheaper, the cost of my boltons and suspension upgrade is still less than if I had bought a same year/milage/condition GSR.

Don't get me wrong, the GSR is an awesome car.. its fun to drive, its very capable, lots of potential and Vtec is a great technology.

But people blow the difference way out of purportion because they don't understand the difference between the powerbands. All they see is the high reving and 30hp difference, when really it doesn't take much money to get a B18B performing the same (if thats what you are looking for).

I would say, definetly wait out for a GSR would be if you don't want to modify it period, or want to go JRSC.

Otherwise the B18B is a great option for working on (although very few people realize its true potential)

 

i've also had both, and I do prefer the GSR over my old RS and both were 1994 with similar mileage.. the thing I love about the RS was the ultra low weight and the fact that it produced no heat to thieves. if you don't plan to track the car very much and mostly do daily driving, I do suggest an LS/GS, if you do want to auto-x, or take it on the road course I think you'd like the GSR due to the mass amount of modifcations you can do to the engine. Otherwise, the LS/GS/GS-R is mostly the same in every catagory when it comes to suspension (except for negible differences in sway bar sizes) brakes, and looks.

if you plan on getting a RS/LS/GS i'd recommend you slap on a GSR tranny to take advantage of that torque, but I didn't notice "more" low end torque with the RS than the GSR even though on paper it says so.

i've had both, and now i'm just begging for a type r, so don't worry about this dilemma and buy a type r

 

YOU said YOU were looking for a gsr. So be patient and dont settle for less. If you buy that GS you will see a gsr in the same condition for the same price and kick yourself in the ***. Just be patient. Save your money.

 

I have a 94 RS with a GSR swap.. at the time I thought a gsr swap was going to a huge improvement over the B18B but I was wrong not much different sure the Vtec engagement sounds nice with a CAI but to think I could have turboed my RS for the same $$ I spent on the swap

 

I Suggest you buy the ls, and swap the head out for a b16 head, this way you get the higher low end torque of the b18b bottom end, plus the high end of the vtec b16 which has better flow than the b18c1 (gs-r) head. Your car is now VTec and performing better than the gs-r for about the same price of a gs-r.

 

unless you want a turbo LS, go with a gs-r

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silver94SBostonMA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I Suggest you buy the ls, and swap the head out for a b16 head, this way you get the higher low end torque of the b18b bottom end, plus the high end of the vtec b16 which has better flow than the b18c1 (gs-r) head. Your car is now VTec and performing better than the gs-r for about the same price of a gs-r.</TD></TR></TABLE>
not highly reliable without large sums of money. if you want vtec, get the GS-R.

 

I have a "slo-tec" as well. I've never driven a VTEC integra, but i very much enjoy the feeling of making the extra horsepower in my car, rather than just buying a fast car to begin with.

 

i wanted a GSR but it took me months before i said **** it and settled for an LS. i never regreted her cause i knew the power potential she had. don't get me wrong the GSR is far more capable of more power, but i juss liked the fact that no to many people have natuarally aspirated b18b's (i could be wrong). that's my goal. whatever you do... don't do the LS/VTEC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More mislead vtec loving

I can drive a gsr or my rs any day I want, and can compair them directly... but instead of opinionated compairing lets talk about facts.

The B18B has more torque than a GSR below 6,000rpm, better for daily driving. That means unless you are reving above 6,000rpm regularly, the B18B is making more power and accelerating faster. (not taking into consideration gearing, but the 1st and 2nd gear are very simmilar the only difference being the GSR FD).

This is why you see stock for stock LS's taking GSR's out of the hole and the GSR's passing durring 3rd gear.

I agree, boltons on a B18B probably is not the best method for speed. Why waste your money on them though? A LS is much cheaper, the cost of my boltons and suspension upgrade is still less than if I had bought a same year/milage/condition GSR.

Don't get me wrong, the GSR is an awesome car.. its fun to drive, its very capable, lots of potential and Vtec is a great technology.

But people blow the difference way out of purportion because they don't understand the difference between the powerbands. All they see is the high reving and 30hp difference, when really it doesn't take much money to get a B18B performing the same (if thats what you are looking for).

I would say, definetly wait out for a GSR would be if you don't want to modify it period, or want to go JRSC.

Otherwise the B18B is a great option for working on (although very few people realize its true potential)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ross is one of the VERY few people that acutally respect the b18b. neither of us are saying that the GSR is bad... not by any means at all. it just seems that 95% of honda people think wtf? no vtec? its slow . and he is absoulutly correct about the ls vs gsr "race". when my friend and i run at the strip (quite often) i will take him up untill 3rd gear and then he just jumps about a car ahead and just kinda stays there untill we finish. but for dailing driver purposes the ls is much better imo. think of all the money you will save on gas. 87 vs 91/92/93... its like $.20-30 per gallon!

ross is also correct when pointing out the fact that a few bolt ons will close the gap bettween a gsr (stock) and an ls. assuming the ls is less, the price difference will deffinantly allow for some minor modification.

no vtec =

 

Personally, I have been around both and I think that the GS-R is better. My biggest complaint with the GS (was my sister's car) was that on the interstate it didn't have much power. The GS-R... while it doen't have a LOT... it does have enough to avoid bugging me...

Basically it boils down to this:
You want a GS-R. Save up / wait / look else where for your GS-R! I ended up flying out to buy my RX-7 and driving it home. You may not find THE car for you in your area. IMHO I would start looking further out for better deals. Trust me, you will be kicking yourself when your friend (or whoever) does buy a GS-R and you realize that your GS doens't QUITE measure up.

Don't get me wrong, the GS is great and I ragged out my sister's car pretty well. It is not a SLOW car, and it does have lots of potential. I just think it's best to get exactly what you want the first time.

 

I love tha low end torque of my LS, it's great fo da street.
I plan on either doin a LSVTEC turbo wit my motor or buy a B20 fo a CRVTEC turbo

if u really like the GS u found then get it. but if u gota have dat VTEC right away then go wit the GS-R

wat's the dif in the price fo the GS and the GS-R u found?
if it's alot and enough to get a turbo or do lots of upgrades to tha GS then get the GS fo sho

 

I own a GSR and I have driven tons of LS (dealer loaner cars). I must say, the LS is a better daily driven car. the more low end torque, the longer gearing. But the fun factor is much higher on my GSR. My GSR's 8000rpm redline feels like it will never run out of rpm.

If you can shell out a bit more money, I suggest getting 00+ Integra. I just like the steering ratio on the 00+ a lot more than my 99.

 

wow another non-vtec vs vtec debate!!!!!!!!

i would say go for whichever u like the most, it is just a freakn car. if u get tired of it, u can SELL it and get another one. u arent comitting to it FOREVER!! LOL.

i have owned an LS and a GS-R, both were fun, good reliable cars. if i were in your situation just get whichever makes u happy. a good idea would be to test drive a GS and a GSR at a use dealership or osmething so u have an idea of how to compare them.

good luck with the car shopping!! post pics of your new ride when u get it (in the apearance forum of course)

 

i've gone through 4 integra's since i was sixteen. 2 ls's and 2 gsr's. i must admit that a gsr is more of a kick in the *** with the short port at 6 grand. cant get enough of it. but the ls is best for town driving i think. i didnt go through near as much gas with my ls's cuz i wouldnt rip on it as much. i aslo believe an ls will last longer just cuz your not reving as high. i know the gsr is built to rev that high but still... any engine going up to 8 grand is gonna start to burn a little oil eventually. my ls's never burned a drop of oil and they also have a really nice sound with an intake. deep tone. but overall a gsr is worth the money but if you can get a perfect gs or ls with low miles i'd go with that. a few bolt ons is much cheaper than body work and paint. unless you can do that yourself but theres nothing better than stock paint with no bondo. but like most people are telling you... you will be happy with either one. a gs lowered with good tires is almost more fun out in the country cuz you can bang gears the whole time. i get going too damn fast in my gsr and have to slam on the brakes. and if you do it right ls/vtec will rip *** and last (if its built properly) anyway integra's are the sh*t so no matter what choice you make your gonna be satisfied. but the gsr is well worth the money if you want a pretty fast car thats all stock and reliable. if you buy one with high miles make sure you check your compression. for high milage i think around 180 185 is alright. i'm talking like 130k or more. correct me if i'm wrong. hope this helps!

 

Just for the record I own a stock gs-r and I have NEVER been taken out of the hole by any LS or GS. The gs-r has a dead spot in 2nd gear around 3-4k, that is the only time that the LS actually catches up. After you get out of the dead spot, your home free.

I'm gonna jump on the band wagon and also say that both cars are fun to drive. but as one guy metioned before, always get what you originally wanted in the first place. If you compromise, you WILL kick yourself in the *** later.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eclipse spanker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just for the record I own a stock gs-r and I have NEVER been taken out of the hole by any LS or GS. The gs-r has a dead spot in 2nd gear around 3-4k, that is the only time that the LS actually catches up. After you get out of the dead spot, your home free. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Er.. first you shouldn't be in at 3-4k in 2nd gear if you are racing...

simply look at the facts

The B18B makes more torque than the GSR up to 6k, and the gearing is almost identical through 1st/2nd

Which means at least through 1st the B18B is going to pull ahead.

Its usually not till 3rd that the gearing/hp difference is enough for the GSR to really start pulling.

 

If you launch a gsr hard how long are you going to be under 6000RPM?

For daily driving though the B18A/B might have more pull. What kind of difference are we talking about? I dont think anyone can tell the difference +/- 3lb-ft of torque

 

But every time you shift there still is a point where the B18B is going to be making more power, as your shifts do not land above 6,000rpm. Havn't you ever wondered why stock for stock the LS is only .5 seconds slower than a GSR when there is a 30hp difference? Thats pretty huge, shouldn't it be more?

The point is due to the gearing being almost the same, and the extra torque in the midrange the LS is better able to get out of the hole than the B18C1.



Its not just 3lbft of torque, we are talking about the whole powerband, not just the peak TQ.

 

Im a LS person... i personally see way more options in the motor...

my boy with a 93 gs-r made an LS/VTEC ... can had 9k redline and ran 13.7@99 all day with stock headers, exhaust, intake manifold and fuel system.

we ran an LS motor with a zex 65 shot in a 91 4dr civic ran a 13.4

we dynod a 93 gs-r with the 55 shot zex kit... and the ls with a 55 shot zex kit...

the gsr was 175hp and 140tq
the ls was 164 hp and 145 tq

honestly i can pull on gs-r without the bottle... just like everybody said above... until third is when the gs-r will either start catching up or pulling..

drivers have a lot to do with it also

 

Ive owned both, the gsr is alot more fun to drive than the Ls, but buy the ls, piece together a turbo kit with the money you save and run 13's all day long while your buddy in gsr is running low 15's