well, my debut season in STS will also be my last. I've decided that I want R-compounds more than I want the freedom of choosing my own spring rates etc. after this season my car will be converted back to stock and I'll be running GS until my car breathes it's last breath and has to be replaced. i already emailed Koni about some kustom valving and having my shox converted to DA's.

i do, however, have one question. where can i find info about what options where available on my specific trim level. this is in relation to what wheels I'll be running.

feel free to comment and wish me luck

 

Well, good for you. I run DS, and I know that its a little more money in consumables than running STX. But the competition is more about driver than car setup.

I like setting up my car once and then just tweaking tire pressures and shocks to compensate for changing conditions. The idea of having to do that plus sway bars, spring rates, camber etc. is too much effort and too many variables.

As far as options - start at the dealership - see if they have old sales literature for your year. Also, the factory manual (which you will need if you want to do big events) usually details differences by model.

One problem you will have to deal with is which brand and budget. Kumhos cost about $500/set and last about 50-100 runs. Hoosiers cost about $700/set and last 30-50 runs. So Kumhos end up costing about 1/2 as much as Hoosiers. But the Hoosiers are much more enjoyable and are considerably faster on high grip surfaces. Only you can decide if you can afford the high priced spread, but for me I have gone all Hoosier all the time. (I call them black crack :-)

 

good idea about the dealerships, i'll do that today. I do have the manual though. yeah, i agree, it's harder to mess up the initial car set-up b/c there isn't much you can do.

I'm gonna definetly be running the kumho brand of black crack

 

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Other than the fact that you're gonna probably hate the way the RS handles in stock trim, even on R compounds. And you won't be able to fix that in GS.

 

meh, i have a pretty good feeling that i can get the results I want through some pretty aggressive compression valving. i ran most of last year on an essentially stock suspension with very good results so I'm confident I'll be just fine.

 

Rear toe out, and a big front bar I think, will be your friends. Rear air pressure too. The RS rear bar is unfortunately tiny. 13mm maybe?

 

Yeah thats the thing. My car is so out classed in its present state but who wants to drive a 93 Si thats stock?

No nationals for me lol.

 

93 Si's can do good in HS

all the integra's save the ITR have the same sized rear sway bar....but it's still freakin' tiny. I think it is 13mm.

i already have the huge front sway bar (26mm) and with a tire stagger 225/205 and a slight amount of rear toe out should complete the package

 

For sure but damn they aint all that if left stock, that was the short lived dilema I had.

I do feel like the driver is the key to better times but I still think with my modified set-up that the driver has to do everything he can to just compete in sm and of course thats not on any kind of national level I think.

 

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all the integra's save the ITR have the same sized rear sway bar....but it's still freakin' tiny. I think it is 13mm.

i already have the huge front sway bar (26mm) and with a tire stagger 225/205 and a slight amount of rear toe out should complete the package</TD></TR></TABLE>

Big front bar + small rear bar = UNDERSTEER. While some hondas respond to a big bar to reduce overall body roll, if you find the thing is pushing then think about going back to a stock front bar. Then use more shock to reduce roll in quick transitions (shock will not have any effect on steady state cornering but a stiff shock can add to effective spring rate for brief manuevers which are common in AX.

 

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all the integra's save the ITR have the same sized rear sway bar....but it's still freakin' tiny. I think it is 13mm.

i already have the huge front sway bar (26mm) and with a tire stagger 225/205 and a slight amount of rear toe out should complete the package</TD></TR></TABLE>

GSR has a 14mm rear bar and the rest of the line 13mm rear bars (except the ITR of course).

How do the 225's fit on the 14x5.5" wheel up front?

 

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it can be done. i've seen a 225 hoosier mounted on a 14x5 wheel too.

nate

 

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Big front bar + small rear bar = UNDERSTEER. While some hondas respond to a big bar to reduce overall body roll, if you find the thing is pushing then think about going back to a stock front bar. Then use more shock to reduce roll in quick transitions (shock will not have any effect on steady state cornering but a stiff shock can add to effective spring rate for brief manuevers which are common in AX.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. There seems to be a recent trend with folks thinking a larger front bar will help their stock class FWD Honda. I don't think this will function like they think it will however. My personal opinion is that it will add to the already bad understeering characteristics that the stock DC2 has + it will cause traction problems coming out of the tight stuff with an open diff car.

And I agree with Alan on the shock settings as well. But on long sweepers you're still going to look like the car is going to roll over.

Spring rates on the normal Integras are ~212 front and ~117 rear, progressive.

 

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Guaranteed.

 

now that's where I need to find some official acura literature.....did RS's come with the 15x6 wheels? or did they all come with 14x5.5 steelies?

i may not even run my car period if I can land a co-drive position in the car I *really* want to run.