i ordered the TEIN SS-DC2 model for my 93 EG which is bone stock. $1000 later the place which i got em at, says that in order to lower my car i will need to also install a camber kit in the front/rear to help eliminate tire wear. im not too worried about tire wear right now cuz ive got stock tires in good condition with stock 13 in. steelies. since its $250 just for front, added on to the grand for TEINs i say since im broke, **** it and wait till i get new wheels/tires in few months then worry about camber. but im a noob and need ur guys advice so i dont mess things up by being cheap. can the TEINs or other parts be affected by the camber being off? and do u guys think i should wait and just not rip on my stock tires, or pay the extra and be safe? also how can i lower my ride to be safe with out the camber kit installed? THANX...HUBB

 

you dont "need" a camber kit to lower your car , i have tein flex's on my car and i dont have a camber kit in the rear cause my tires rub , **** it , your teins wont get fucked up or anything , just tire wear

 

Camber isn't what kills tires. Toe is. Toe is adjustable; stock.

You're already paying more than you should for the TEINs, tell the shop to go **** themselves.

You can have 2-2.5 degrees of camber and still not see much wear if you rotate often and have your toe within spec.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkyeC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber isn't what kills tires. Toe is. Toe is adjustable; stock.

You're already paying more than you should for the TEINs, tell the shop to go **** themselves.

You can have 2-2.5 degrees of camber and still not see much wear if you rotate often and have your toe within spec.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're joking right?

camber can kill tires just as well as toe can, I see it all day

camber will just kill the inside of a tire while toe can affect a lager area, put both together and you have a real mess

 

Oh, either get a camber kit or do the washer trick, get your ideal height set and get an alignment done.

what would you rather do spend $150 on a camber kit and $60 for an alignment, or go through tires quicker than a crackwhore and bag of flour

 

Whatever, I see absolutely no abnormal wear after 3/4 of an autox season on worn Azenis with -1.8 camber in front, -1.2 camber in the rear, 1/16" total toe out in front, and 0 toe in the back.

There is just no reason to zero out camber like the ricer shops or ricers themselves will tell you to do.



Oh nos. look at all that wear. cry cry cry.

 

yea, you wouldn't with 1.2 .... 1.8 you most likely will

also, on azenis tires falken put deeper tread on the inside b/c they know the people that run thier tires will have negative camber, so this off-sets it.

go look at a brand new one and you'll see what im talking about.

 

thanx for the advice. so i guess ill wait till new wheels and tires till i get my camber adjusted. how low can i go without camber and without killin anything??

 

you can go a while, its not like it will blow your tires out in a week, it just wears the inside down faster than the outside, also the amount of wear depends on how far the camber is out of wack.

The thing that is hard to tell is when the tires are going bad, b/c most people only look at the outside tread and you won't tell from the outside, you have to get under the car and look at the inside.

 

Eh. my fronts look the same, I rotate them once a month or after each autox event so it doesn't much matter.

I guess I'm wrong in the fact that I look at camber from a performance standpoint and not at a ricer cruising point of view.

Hell, I want more camber in front.

 

If you don't want to worry about excessive tire wear, then yes, you would want the ability to adjust your camber and toe. Most people really don't need to mess with this much. If you plan on racing the car, being able to adjust your camber at the track is worth it. We generally run anywhere between a -1 to -2 in the rear and -1.5 in the front for grip. Overall not having this should not affect the ability for your suspension to function properly during normal use.

 

Im with SykeC on this issue.

Keep the car at a modest drop and the camber you gain will do more good then harm considering your toe is within spec. If you wanna be "mad tuckin yo" anyway then you shoulda got some tenzo coil overs or something. lol. The fact you bought Tein SS tells me you care somewhat about performance. Therefore you don't want a rice drop. With a respectable and functional drop, you should only need a camber kit to add it in the front, and maybe add/decrease in the rear depending on your driving. Perhaps a drag racer wants 0 camber to get the most contact patch on the ground in a straight line.

Camber can be your friend. Once again, you'll learn to like it if you get serious about suspension tuning and handling, after all you bought tein SS. If you are not you coulda got something else for cheaper for a decent ride quality and the "look".

2 degrees of camber in the front has been real good to me (and like Syke, me want more ). And i even run 1/8 total toe out in the front. and 1/16 total toe out in the rear. try around 1 degree of camber out back. Remember too much camber in the rear keeps the back from rotating as easy. If you are worried still, just have the alignment guy set the toe to 0 all thr way around. And rotate your tires every now and then. You'll be in good shape. The camber wear is not as extreme as everyone makes it about it be. Even inner wear can be traced to incorrect toe settings.




Modified by JaeOne3345 at 10:22 PM 7/14/2003

 

damn thanx a lot for ur input and advice.....thanx again HUBB

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkyeC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess I'm wrong in the fact that I look at camber from a performance standpoint and not at a ricer cruising point of view.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea. drag racers are all ricers I guess then, man what was I thinking.

Tell me where I said a little camber was bad? ding...no where

I don't auto-x so I haven't played with camber/toe to see different outcomes of each. so for you being so naive to think you know all, when you don't.

I do know a little toe in the front helps cornering, and a little camber can help as well, but he never stated his goals or intentions of the car so if hes a drag ***** then he needs them at 0 (toe, camber).

If hes a auto x ***** then he needs to beable to adjust.

and yes too much camber is bad, theres no denying that fact.

 

if you're just going to rock your 13" steelies on 70 series tire i wouldn't worry too much about a camber kit. when you get new rims and tires you should get a camber kit, because i'm pretty sure you want your new tires to last you as long as possible. for the rear just fix your camber with washers and bolts courtesy of the home depot. as for the front just get a skunk2 camber kit off of ebay for $189 shipped.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do know a little toe in the front helps cornering, and a little camber can help as well, </TD></TR></TABLE>

actually you will find most people in FF chassis prefer a little bit of toe out in the front for improved turn in or at times zero, (if they are into turning). There are exceptions but in general..ya know. I personally run toe out in the front..with a little wee bit in the rear, hehe.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and yes too much camber is bad, theres no denying that fact </TD></TR></TABLE>

too much is all relative. for example, guys running slicks/R compounds can get away with a little more. I ran -2 up front this weekend with 1/8 out, its been holding up well. . In the past ive found that totally jacked toe settings got the inside/outside of the tires wearing out fast, when these toe problems were 'fixed' and the same camber remained, wear improved drastically.

This isnt meant to be a flame war, just adding different perspective.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkyeC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber isn't what kills tires. Toe is. Toe is adjustable; stock.

You're already paying more than you should for the TEINs, tell the shop to go **** themselves.

You can have 2-2.5 degrees of camber and still not see much wear if you rotate often and have your toe within spec.</TD></TR></TABLE>exactly. some ricer *** **** with cut springs must have come to the conclusion that camber kills tires. :shakeshead:

lol.. I guess they think camber is bad

 

I think that honda allows up to -1.2 to 1.2 camber up front and -1.8 to 1.8 in the rear. Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

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yea. drag racers are all ricers I guess then, man what was I thinking.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Eh, I got 2.0 60s on street tires with -3 degrees of camber and almost 1/2" of toe! (this was before I stopped being an idiot and raised my car up, as well as getting an alignment, lol) Maybe if you're running 10s, yeah, go get your 0 degrees of camber.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tell me where I said a little camber was bad? ding...no where</TD></TR></TABLE>

Assuming he's not ricer dumping his car, all he will have is a little bit of camber, so why get a camber kit?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't auto-x so I haven't played with camber/toe to see different outcomes of each. so for you being so naive to think you know all, when you don't.
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Then aren't you the naive one? You're hammer happy.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and yes too much camber is bad, theres no denying that fact.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless you have an M3, they run almost 6 degrees of negative camber in race alignments.

 

thanx

 

imo i say go for the camber kit. i got my frotns for 110 shipped on groupbuycenter.com. are you installing these yourself? or getting it installed by a shop. if you were to get a camber kit, you might as well wait for the kit before you install the suspension. one question. if youre such a noob how do you know about tein cause most of my noob friends swear that tokiko are the ****. dont the flex come with the upper pillowball mounts so it has some camper adjustability?
toe is goign to kill your tires almost more than camber. i took a trip and 300 miles into it my tires blew cause i had bad toe. new tires after that only lasted a month. even without camber kit your tires will wear. i say drop it around 1.5 max. but they are your shocks, its your ride

you dont need to eliminate camber cause ever car has negative camber stock. like a degree and then some. personally i told the shop who aligned my car to set it whatever stock camber was since it has increased(neg) when i dropped my car an inch.5

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phantom_sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> dont the flex come with the upper pillowball mounts so it has some camper adjustability?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The car he owns does not have mcpherson suspension, therefore camber plates at the top of the mounts wont a damn thing. with double wish bone suspension, pillow ball mounts just remove slop from the equation, you dont change camber with them.

The new civics/rsx etc are a different story. They have the mchperson style which allows you to chang camber with such plates.


Modified by JaeOne3345 at 4:03 PM 7/15/2003

 

get an alignment and you'll be safe for a couple of months

 

excellent explanation, thanks for clearing up

 

im a little confused but its all good....i think all noobs know about TEIN....thanx i guess ill get the kit once i get new tires and wheels, and just not dump my ride. thanx..HUBB