The H22 hatch got on the road today only to dissapoint because I felt a vibratiion or a rubbing like bad axles. I have the DriveShaftShop Stage 1 axles and Hasport mount kit. Everything went together well so I'm really not sure where to start. I feel the rubbing/clicking even at low speed going straight at around 5-10 mph and of course the feeling increases rapidly with speed. So, where to start ???


Modified by SleeprCivic at 7:58 AM 7/23/2003

 

Hmm, how much are you dropped? Have you looked at the damper fork to make sure it's not rubbing?

Make sure the control arms and such are all bolted up.

Keep us posted man...

 

okay, is it a clicking, or a vibration?

Big difference there.

If you have the car in nuetral, and are stopped, and you rev it up, do you get the same vibration, or is it only when you drive it?

I still don't have my vibration (it's actually a shuddering when I'm accelerating) figured out.

I'm pretty sure it's the DSS axles, because I don't get any shuddering when I'm not actually moving...but I don't want to lay blame on them without knowing 100%.

 

I'm still absolutely boggled by the vibration problems. I wish I would ride in one of the HASport/DSS axle set up and see what the vibration is.

Even me having my balance shaft belt removed, I still have minor vibrations.

 

is vibration ONLY present when accelerating? if so it's probably due to incorrect axle length.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastwanabe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is vibration ONLY present when accelerating? if so it's probably due to incorrect axle length.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that's what i'm thinking...but being level 1's, i have these as well and nothing. but still could be the cause.

Make sure they are popped into the tranny (in allllll the way), and the axle nut is torqued.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastwanabe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is vibration ONLY present when accelerating? if so it's probably due to incorrect axle length.</TD></TR></TABLE>

On my setup, yes.

If I'm cruising in gear at a steady rate, but lay into the throttle, there's a shuddering that I can feel all the way through the floor boards, shifter, everything.

As soon as I lay back off of the throttle, it goes away.

My axles are fully locked in, and the nut is torqued down properly.

Do you think it's time I get in contact with DSS?

 

Ok, I took a quick spin again and it defintely is a clicking not a vibration. Feels very much like bad CV joints or I guess what may be called binding. Its not there when I rev the engine only when I'm moving. I'm pretty sure the axles are in all the way, but I guess I'll check that again. That would be sweet if thats all it was. I think I'm going to call DSS and see what they say. Wasn't there someone who got an H22 EG axle set from them and one was short or something?? It worries me.

I'm not dropped at all (yet) I'm on the stock suspension.

Also - I have a limited slip diff, think that would make any difference??
Thanks for the input guys.


Modified by SleeprCivic at 8:05 AM 7/14/2003

 

I have the same set up as you HaSport and DSS Stage 1. No problem with fitment that I know of. Went together well. If it's clicking check CV joint and make sure you have proper fluid for LSD. Does it click when you're turning or just going straight?

 

Yeah is it clicking on turns or straight? Or when you go over bumps? And did you use Accord forks to clear the axles. I am not sure if the stage 1's are the same, but I know the civic forks are too small to fit on the ones I have..

 

I'm going straight and no bumps really, the road is pretty smooth in front of my house. I used standard Honda tranny oil, is there a special oil for limited slip transmissions?? The civic forks are in, and they're close but not hitting. I checked that out when I put them in. At full left turn I believe they can rub, but I never turned it that far. Its a little tough to hear the clicking because the open downpipe end right under the shifter which isn't closed up yet I'm calling DSS right now...

 

Well if you have LSD tranny you should be using LSD tranny oil.. And you should still change the forks because when you probably looked the car was jacked up in the air. When its down on the ground the geometry of the axles change which maybe causing rubbing against the forks.. For all you know this is the vibration that you are feeling..

And I wouldnt bother about calling Frank just yet. All he will tell you to do is end play measurements to see the axles is properly aligned.. But there should definately be no clicking especially if you are just going straight.. Does the sound increase with engine speed / load, or is it just constant..?

 

So what type of oil should go in an LSD tranny? I called an Acura dealer and a Honda dealer and they said that Honda MTF fluid is specified for LSD trannies. The fork comment is a good point. I do believe that the car was in the air when I checked it I'll take another look. I did call Frank actually and he did tell me to check end play...

By the way, what year Accord forks should I get if thats the problem??

Is anyone using the civic forks without a problem??

 

hmmmm....i get a bad shutter or bind when making a right turn only...other than that its great!?....i think i may be too low...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeprCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is anyone using the civic forks without a problem??

</TD></TR></TABLE>I use the stock forks without problems.

 

I think he means with DSS axles..

 

I'm using DSS Stage 1 driver axle and Level 1 passenger axle with the factory Civic damper forks and not 1 problem with my swap at all.

 

Thats what makes me think stage 3's may be bigger. Because there was no way the civic forks was fitting when I was trying them out..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jason kiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats what makes me think stage 3's may be bigger. Because there was no way the civic forks was fitting when I was trying them out..</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, ya my level 1's don't have much room, but they have never binded at all or anything.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poison &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm using DSS Stage 1 driver axle and Level 1 passenger axle with the factory Civic damper forks and not 1 problem with my swap at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
same here, but I'm running the stage 3

 

Ok, I checked out the gap between the damper fork and the axles and its fine, maybe a 1/4 inch or more (wheels straight). Frank from DSS told me to check the end play and see if it was between 1/4 and 1/2 inch. Its NOT. Passenger side axle is about 1/16" movement into the hub until it hits. Driver side axle can be pushed in over an inch into the hub. Hmm, something wrong there?? I think so...

 

Well that is good news and bad news. Good news is that Frank is cool and will usually fix the problem. Bad news is you will be without axles for a week or two.

 

Yup, Frank is shipping out modified axles for me. Weird that they didn't fit if it was a setup thats known. (EG w/ H22 and Hasport mounts) Axles are on their way though and thats all I care about!

 

So I got the axles in yesterday and took it for a quick spin. (Quick cuz no exhaust!) It seems fine but there is a slight click from something now and then. I have no idea what it is and the axles have 3/8" play on each of them, so I don't think the sound is from them. Once the exhaust is done I'll check that out. Maybe suspension something...

I didn't get on it cuz my clutch needs to break in but it seems like it'll be fun! Stock 92 suspension right now is going to suck!!!

 

When I put on my Place Racing axles..they rubbed on my wishbone(?) and I had to grind a bit of metal off the driver and passenger side forks. The axles are at a angle that pionts a little rearward, but when driving they are fine(now that I replaced the place racing axles with stock 86 Teggy axles) the vibration I feel in my car is the h beast, the stage 3 sclutch..car wants to take the hell off! and the dash doing a little rattling...no other rubbing.