Looks like my R is going to need its exhaust valves replaced. Not sure of the reason yet, but it is not from over revving. I'm thinking it is either from the timing belt (75,000mi) or me using stock ITR valve springs with Skunk II stage one cams. It is currently at the dealership.

Here is the problem. My mother wants Acura to fix the car so that the work will be under warranty. I'm currently trying to explain to her the following

1. They will rape us with labor charges and I don't have that kind of money and don't want her to pay for it.
2. I'm pretty confident I can pull the head myself considering I've swapped in my own cams, and installed my clutch and flywheel, not to mention put a good many hrs into a few friends cars.
3. I want to install Portflow inners and a new timing belt/water pump to insure this doesn't happen again.

Could someone besides me put up a convincing arguement on how much money can be saved and how they won't warranty the work if the same problem happens again. Thanks.

 

Please provide us with the following info:

When is your warranty going to expire?

 

doesn't matter if the car is under warranty...the cams would void it (cams are related to valvetrain)

if she owns the car then it's up to her. You sound quite capable but you'll need to have something or someone to fall back on should things head south. I think if you tell her you're sure you can do it and how much you'll save you'll be fine.

 

acura replaced a faulty rod bearing and 4 valves on my R.......25,000kms later i've had zero problems......as soon as they see your aftermarket cams....there is no way they will cover anything under warranty

think about it this way.......if they mess up what do you have to lose?......any problems will continue to be covered under warranty

 

Depending on your dealership...many of the mech's are less than ideal.

 

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A really big bill. What they will have to do is not warranty work. Even if the do replace the stuff and warranty THAT work I will still be left witht he same initial bill and the down time if they do it incorrectly.

 

Most dealerships wont touch you car wont warranty aftermarket parts.
Suggest you let them put your car back to stock form most likely you burned a valve too tight or something I doubt your an expert in engine building.

 

Get a friend who is really good with cars to help...also get a Helms manual (if you don't have one already)...and get a good set of tools.

If you have all three of these things, it may make a better argument to your parents that you are capable of fixing it yourself

 

you don't get a bill when you get warranty work done.............i didn't pay a cent for about $4,000 CAD of warranty work

 

I say find the stock cams and put them back in... then bring it to acura. Thats what I would do.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tweakmeister &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">doesn't matter if the car is under warranty...the cams would void it (cams are related to valvetrain)

if she owns the car then it's up to her. You sound quite capable but you'll need to have something or someone to fall back on should things head south. I think if you tell her you're sure you can do it and how much you'll save you'll be fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

seriously do what I did... fork out the cash and get it built the way you like it. saves you money in the long run.

 

No dealers, Just my .o2.

Take the time and DIY- besides the factory warranty is 4/50 or extended to 7/75. Unless you bought a different plan.

 

your 3 reasons listed are pretty convincing.

 

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It's not warranty work for the 1,000th time. She thinks however that if they repair the car and it messes up that since they performed the work THEN it will be under warranty. I'm trying to tell her that with aftermarket parts this isn't happening, unless it is something blatantly wrong witht the repair work.

I'm pretty confident that I could do most of the work. I plan on just sitting the head up on the dining room table in my grandparents old house (no one lives there) and working on it nice and slow. Anything I need checked out will be brought to a machine shop.

 

you can get a bare head for 800ish with everything except cams/gears and valve cover

buy a new head, take out old one. buy parts to have it fixed and sell.

sadly the exhaust valves are the most expensive.

if the dealership gets u some, they will rape you at 36 a piece.

if u can swing buying a new head, then u wont have any down time for the most part.

you just need:
head bolts
head gasket
intake manifold gasket
cam seals
valve cover seal
timing belt
water pump

off the top of my head, should be 300-350ish for that stuff, and all can be done by you for the most part

 

Okay, who paid for the car, and who's paying for the repair?

If your Mom bought the car and wants to pay for the repair, let the dealer do it. It's her money.

If you're paying for the repair - and assuming it's your car - you can have it fixed anywhere you like. Even if you decide to do the repair yourself (and even if you screw it up), that's your privilege.

 

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Huh ?
What has your mother to do with your car ?? Isn`t it your own business ?
If it`s her car, she allowed you to install cams and void the warranty... Now I don`t understand what the problem with a set of valves should be

 

Does your mom still wipe your *** too.

Sorry buddy not sure what to tell you. I would tell my mom to shut her pie whole cause I paid for the car. But that's just me

 

I could help you work on the car, I'll be comming to charlotte meet at end of July.

 

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don't let this guy touch your car unless you want a gaymobile..see post:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=561888

 

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don't let this guy touch your car unless you want a gaymobile..see post:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=561888</TD></TR></TABLE>

I want to see the IP of this guy. I bet its the same as a wtdr crew. i think they are just trying to spice up this board a lil

 

I remember one of your recent posts about an experience with the dealership regarding your car's current troubles, and I understand entirely why you would prefer to do your own work.

I agree.

The best thing you can do is to calmly, rationally explain the situation to your mother. Everything about the nature of the modifications done to the motor (I gather that you've explained the bulk of that to her already), the claims the dealership made, and why they're wrong/and/or why you do not trust them to do the work.

If you have a Helm manual and the proper tools at your disposal, you can read your parents through the process with the manual, the better to illustrate to them that the work you'll be doing is within your capabilities.

And **** a bunch of people talking about your parents. I know what it's like to have concerned parents. It's actually pretty cool that they're thinking of your best interests and are willing to help out in any capacity. Perhaps if you express your appreciation for that while telling them the best way to help you would be to approve of you having the work performed in the way you best see fit, you can get them to see things your way.

my $.02.

 

I guess your mom is concerned because you did some work on your car and now it is messed up. It is going to be tough to convince her of your expertise under these conditions. If you paid for the car and you are going to pay for the work then do whatever you want. If she paid for the car then just live with it for now. That's life. You are lucky to have the help. Someday you will appreciate it.

 

Hmm, the way it sounds, it sounds as if your mom doesnt even know the complete story. Like one of those situations where "kid over revs, blames it on the motor, but knows he has cams in there." You feel bad for her spending the money on the car because YOU know you were wrong to begin with.

No offense man, but from what you have told us, its no brainer that somebody would NOT take it some place else except the dealer.

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

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Yeah I know. I plan on paying for the repair work, because she has done too much for me already (like all moms). That and I would rather upgrade the car while I'm in there to make sure it doesn't happen again. She just insists on the dealer doing it. Maybe when she calls today they will inform her that even the work they will do won't be under warranty.

Word of advice to other spoiled kids like me: Don't mod a car unless you pay for it 100%.