just curious about the pros and cons of either boosting an f22 or dropping in an h22 in a daily driver in terms of a couple criteria:

-(relative) ease of install
-cost (parts)
-power gains
-fuel economy (daily driver)
-durability (daily driver)

I'm not anywhere close to actually doing either...but I know a lot of y'all have done both and I'm wondering what your guys's thoughts are.

 

Hey man, try searching, this topic has been covered plenty of times.
Search for "h22 turbo" in the accord section under the Archived data set.

ease of install - probably goes to the h22, its almost a straight swap.
cost - depends on the turbo kit, or if your building it. Overall, h22 will be cheaper in the long run
power gains - definately f22 turbo, one guy on here has made 250+ whp and torque on a f22 w/ stock internals.
fuel economy - h22, but also depends on the amount of boost your running
-durability - h22 in the long run.

 

yah, it's been covered. but to sum it up..
boosted f22 - cheaper (~$1500), more powerful, faster, less reliable
h22a - expensive (~$4500), decent power, more reliable

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fluxion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yah, it's been covered. but to sum it up..
boosted f22 - cheaper (~$1500), more powerful, faster, less reliable
h22a - expensive (~$4500), decent power, more reliable</TD></TR></TABLE>

boosted f22- a great option, not to be discounted... still not cheap depending on if your talking junkyard turbo (1200-1500), kit setup (2400-3000), or full race/ custom (3000+). Reliability is only an issue if you do not understand how to properly maintain and tune it. Alot of work and not for daily drivers in some cases.

h22a- good motor and great power for the everyday driver crowd happy with the simple easy power.

my blood needs boost so I do what it takes to get the boost I want... I build it for me to enjoy first and fore most.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fluxion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yah, it's been covered. but to sum it up..
boosted f22 - cheaper (~$1500), more powerful, faster, less reliable
h22a - expensive (~$4500), decent power, more reliable</TD></TR></TABLE>how the hell can you say 4500 for a swap?

 

turbo f-series.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how the hell can you say 4500 for a swap?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, there was a JDM H22 in the "Classifieds" here on H-T last week for under $1800, and I've seen them around the net for even less, but with kinda high mileage Even if you don't do the install yourself, the actual won't cost won't bend you over even if you don't have a hook-up since it's a fairly common swap now,
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">power gains - definately f22 turbo, one guy on here has made 250+ whp and torque on a f22 w/ stock internals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you thought about buying an H22 and then boosting IT? it may not be as expensive as you think...You could junkyard turbo it for under $1500 if you shop around carefully. There's a boosted H22 making over 311 whp at 11 PSI on stock internals in the "Prelude" forum (Firedrake, but he ain't junkyard, he's a pro...) and he's running mid/high-12's AT ALTITUDE (I can post the slips, but they're kinda obscene...). There's also an N/A H22 making 220 whp, but quality N/A mods cost like hell for it and the gains are minimal compared to the snail.

 

do both, thats what i did.

my swap was $1800 and i did it myself. and my turbo kit was $1100 (used drag kit from a 97 lude) custom piping to make it fit costed $400

so $3300 got me a turbo'd h22

shop around

 

boost the F, H motors are played out and i dont like them

 

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Full swap with tranny will run about $3200 from a hmotorsonline.com with everything you need for the swap. Plus $500 (around) shipping, $500 install (at best...and if nothing goes wrong the first time), around $4500. Shops charge up to $5500 for engine and labor. If you neglect to buy a h22a tranny with the engine than thats your problem.


Modified by fluxion at 3:59 AM 7/12/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97F22B2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boost the F, H motors are played out and i dont like them</TD></TR></TABLE>
Played out?!? Since when did raw power become a fad?!? We're not talking about JDM parts here dude, that makes absolutely no sense, please expound/explain. That's the equivalent of someone with an LS-1 powered car saying that he doesn't like LT-1's, it's illogical...

No matter what you or anyone else has done to their F22, tell me with a straight face that you don't wish it was an H22, and I'll tell you that I don't really want a Frank (H23 VTEC.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Full swap with tranny will run about $3200 from a hmotorsonline.com with everything you need for the swap. Plus $500 shipping, $500 install (at best), around $4500. Shops charged up to $5500 for engine and labor. If you neglect to buy a h22a tranny with the engine than thats your problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's ludicrous dude, and I'm not talking about the stunna actor/rapper. If you shop around, they can be had for much less. If he lives in any medium-large state/area, he can buy the motor locally and save on shipping, then get some friends from H-T to help with the swap for a fraction of the price.

How do you think I get my mods done/installed; a Helm's manual, a few bucks, some friends w/a garage & a set of tools and a couple of cases of Modelo Especial can go a LOOONG way dude.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Final Flash &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Played out?!? Since when did raw power become a fad?!? We're not talking about JDM parts here dude, that makes absolutely no sense, please expound/explain. That's the equivalent of someone with an LS-1 powered car saying that he doesn't like LT-1's, it's illogical...

No matter what you or anyone else has done to their F22, tell me with a straight face that you don't wish it was an H22, and I'll tell you that I don't really want a Frank (H23 VTEC.)

That's ludicrous dude, and I'm not talking about the stunna actor/rapper. If you shop around, they can be had for much less. If he lives in any medium-large state/area, he can buy the motor locally and save on shipping, then get some friends from H-T to help with the swap for a fraction of the price.

How do you think I get my mods done/installed; a Helm's manual, a few bucks, some friends w/a garage & a set of tools and a couple of cases of Modelo Especial can go a LOOONG way dude. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not saying thats the best deal he can get, but i've planned to do the swap for a long time and thats price i expect to pay. i know it can be had for less, but when it comes to engines i'd rather order from a site that warranties their motors like hmotorsonline.com. But let me revise it just so everybody is happy...

h22a n/a - expensive ($3200 w/o install and purchased locally with tranny), less powerful, more reliable
f22b turbo - cheap ($1400 w/o install), more powerful, less reliable

kthnxbye.



Modified by fluxion at 12:47 AM 7/12/2003

 

funny i picked up my h22a w/ lsd tranny from HMO for 2700 out the door, and that was like a year ago.

 

30014 - H22A 92-95 Complete Change Over
200Hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression (JDM)
190Hp 156Trq 10.0 Compression (USDM)
$ 2199.00 Plus shipping and handling.

Wow, i stand corrected. Maybe i was thinking of the Type S motor.

 

reality check:

my h22 shipped from japan TO new zealand TO cali and then ACROSS the country to NC WITH tranny, axles, ecu, you name it was $2300.

but that was in '01 before they became more popular to swap.

 

Your reality. Please post where you got it from! So other people can get the same "reality" as you.

It helps to post where you got it from for $2300. Rather than just say you got it for $2300 shipped.

So hypothetically speaking. The same distributor should be able to have a lower price now, due to the higher demand. Unless, he went out of business giving it to you for that price!

 

it has been so long I don't have the phone number or name of the company this anymore.

The guys name was Vince, the shop was in Irvine, Cali. I think it was called customFX or something close to that. I believe the motors are from the same source that a distributor with a screen name GMAC sells or lines up to sell.

Sorry I can't be more informative or specific. Bottom line is that an h22 costs way less than $4500, and there are deals to be had.

Now I must go get a

 

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Yea i agree boost the single cam.. performance motors are played out! the new trend is to be slow.
sounds like some one is mad because they cant afford the h series.
not to sound like a dick but that sounds like somthing that would come out of a 5 years old kids mouth.

 

boost &gt; vtak

 

i wish it WASNT an H. And i can afford the H series but i wouldnt want it anyway. The whole reason why i started building my car was it was an unserdog to begin with just like the rest of you(i hope). So im sticking with my original plan of the underdog motor and keeping the F series, H series is like the B series, everyone wants to swap in a B. Hell i had one in my hatch. Plus i can make more power from a F turbo than a stock H22 for the cash. And buy the way most boosted F series are faster than than the H22 swap

 

you have any slips to back that up? i have yet to see any boosted accords running at the tracks around here... also lets see who's motor lasts longer. and if your building your motor cool, ill build mine and we'll see whats up. but till then its all talk and i think its absolutely pointless.

 

admit it...accord will never be as fast as boosted civics with b18's in them...

always realize what your goal is...
do you want 12sec car? sell the accord and buy a teg/civic, and boost it...
do you want just a lil more zippier ride than usual accord? then go na h22...
do you want just a lil more zipper ride with kool sounds and thrill of spooling? then go f22/23 + turbo...

built h23 + boost is nice, but how will you deal with all the traction issues (even with lsd) when your engine's making 350+ hp in a front wheel drive car? come on, think ppl...

my goal was to make a 250ish hp accord that drives/handles/sounds better than stock car i started with...needless to say, i'm almost there...it's just matter of setting your goal and sticking to it...

 

btw, all those things depends on how you treat your car...

if you drive like an insane fool, no matter what kind of car you have, the drivability, reliability will be compromised...

drive with sense and your boosted F will last longer than h22 and also eat a lot less gas...
remember, you only shoot out the fuel when you're in boost...and if you're in boost more than not in boost, then you'll end up with many tickets and painful insurance bill...

 

prices for H-series now is absurd.


f-series are all over the place and everybody hates them. **** it, you guys go out and buy your goddamn overpriced vtak boxes, i love $200 accord engines!!

10psi ******* ownz joo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97F22B2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i wish it WASNT an H. And i can afford the H series but i wouldnt want it anyway. The whole reason why i started building my car was it was an unserdog to begin with just like the rest of you(i hope). So im sticking with my original plan of the underdog motor and keeping the F series, H series is like the B series, everyone wants to swap in a B. Hell i had one in my hatch. Plus i can make more power from a F turbo than a stock H22 for the cash. And buy the way most boosted F series are faster than than the H22 swap </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, a boosted f22b is faster than an h22a in most cases. but if you really want serious power you need a better platform like the h22a, a turbo h22a would rip you a new *******. i know there's a big price difference between the 2 options, but the question wasn't "what's the cheapest way to make my car fast." he asked for the pro's and cons of both.

h22a has the potential to make far more power than the f22b. there's a reason engine swaps become popular, and it has nothing to do with being trendy.