Heres the setup: EG hatch, H22, leave the block stock, port/polish, skunk2 valvetrain and stage 2 cams, extrude honed IM, headertech header, and a Zex 60 shot. MAx HA racing has a 11.8 second hatch with a similar setup (no nitrous though) that runs 11.8 in street trim, seems to me that a gutted race car, and the 60 hp/100 ft,lb shot would get high tens. And i dont think this would cost more then 10 g's, including the cost of a hatch. Sorry for bench racing but i think this would be a good idea to try someday.

 

If it were all that easy then..............

 

Save your money on the port/polish, valvetrain, cams, and Extrude Hone. Forget the Zex and go direct port. That motor will take a properly tuned 100-120 shot easily. I put 75 hp dry through my bone stock H22. You have to remeber all of the suport items too. Clutch, axles, cage, slicks, etc.... In a light enough car, 10's are definitely possible.

Tyler

 

A 10sec capable vehicle is theoretically easy/cheap to do. A reliable and safe 10sec vehicle...that's a different animal.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The B Man &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heres the setup: EG hatch, H22, leave the block stock, port/polish, skunk2 valvetrain and stage 2 cams, extrude honed IM, headertech header, and a Zex 60 shot. MAx HA racing has a 11.8 second hatch with a similar setup (no nitrous though) that runs 11.8 in street trim, seems to me that a gutted race car, and the 60 hp/100 ft,lb shot would get high tens. And i dont think this would cost more then 10 g's, including the cost of a hatch. Sorry for bench racing but i think this would be a good idea to try someday.</TD></TR></TABLE>


If only...you can sure try though...it wouldn't hurt

 

unfortunatley going from 11.8-10.99 is going to require a lot more then 60HP of NOS and some weight loss, esp seeing that your skunk2 headstuff aint going be that beneficial without some higher compression pistons etc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyler H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Save your money on the port/polish, valvetrain, cams, and Extrude Hone. Forget the Zex and go direct port. That motor will take a properly tuned 100-120 shot easily. I put 75 hp dry through my bone stock H22. You have to remeber all of the suport items too. Clutch, axles, cage, slicks, etc.... In a light enough car, 10's are definitely possible.

Tyler</TD></TR></TABLE>

hes right, i would recommend going direct port. Doing a dry shot distributes n2o into your cylinders unevenly.

 

Honda intake manifolds are well engineered, the dry shot distributes evenly enough. so an extra 100 ft/lbs of tourque aint enough to shave 1 second of an ET? Well, atleast LOW 11's then i guess. I still think its a good way to go.

 

Yeah come to think of it, the fastest N20 Honda user (nitrous only no combo) I think is only running low 11's. There might be one in the 10's. That should tell you something right there.

 

i saw an LS non vtec in pomona over a year ago all nitrous going 10.8's......and as for the under 10gs...not happening. max has a h22 from the european accord type r, thats like 5 gs alone.

 

jason hunt used to run a nitrous only set up in his street crx running 11.30's. the zex car has run 10's as well with nitrous only in a built sohc/crx. no wheelie bars. believe it or not, a properly built b series motor running 80-100 shot will give you damn close to 10's....in a street car......i've seen it with my own eyes. in a race car, your talking easy 10's....easy. but 10's in a forced induction race car is kinda meaningless now a days.

 

max ha. he also had jun three cams, and a full head job. least that is what i remember..................good idea though. budget .... i like it..........try it!

 

and also ITB's.

 

Are you talking about the yellow Zex car? That one is turbo'd and sprayed. Which one? Where is ZEX MAN?

 

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yea in the old B-series from a couple years ago.

 

10's are easier and easier to get these days apparently, but don't think that means it will happen to you. There are so many cars out there with "similar" setups that range 11.0-13.0 on the track, its all in the final tuning, suspension, tires, and driver.

A cheap 10 second car would be any b series turbo in an EF, plus lsd, good suspension, and slicks, preferably a crx hf. I would think it can be done for around 7k these days, assuming you don't break anything before getting that 10.99. There used to be a guy at MIR all the time with a bone stock b16 in a black ef with only a header, clutch, and removed intake. He dropped the stock exhaust at the track and sprayed I believe a 75 shot wet. Consistent 12.0-12.5 all day long. Probably only had about 5k in the whole thing!

 

nobody is building a 10 sec honda for 7k. for 7k you could probly find some old guy selling a domestic that does 10s though. fast domestics are easy to come by.

 

I didn't know there was such a thing!

On a serious note a race car is completely different from a street car, even if u could take lets say roughly 10k and buy a crx , turbo, standalone, built motor. You could squeeze out a very fast car, but the extra wouldn't make any race car cheap. Examples race gas, slicks, axles, trailer, events, alot of maintenece constantly breaking stuff.


Street cars can get expensive cant imagine the cost of maintaining a race car

 

exactly! if u don't have money to build a race car you sure as hell won't have money to race a race car. ie brake parts, travel, race gas etc. 10sec hondas will brake parts. a good amount of them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i need space &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nobody is building a 10 sec honda for 7k. for 7k you could probly find some old guy selling a domestic that does 10s though. fast domestics are easy to come by.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I disagree. Something like this:

I got my 92 hatch cx for $300
garrett turbo 60-1 $600
intercooler plus piping $600
72lb injectors $400
hondata 200 w/ ecu $500
tuning $400
clutch $300
slicks + wheels $500
skunk + kyb agx $550
b16 swap w/ axles $1800
thick cometic headgasket $200
quaife LSD $700
miscellaneous (3BAR, gauges) $150


Total: 7000. I think all of those prices are reasonable too. Sure, you do have to do your own labor but it can be done.

You could probably even do it without the LSD and have a $700 dollar buffer for breaking axles, other parts, or spending a little more on the car up front.

Edit: I'm not saying this works for anyone. Actually I'm saying the opposite, but I am completely confident I could bring someone like Jason Hunt a crx and say here is $7000 make it run 10's and he could do it. No, it wouldn't be an all out car with built motor and crazy paint, but it could be done.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trbob16a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I disagree. Something like this:

I got my 92 hatch cx for $300
garrett turbo 60-1 $600
intercooler plus piping $600
72lb injectors $400
hondata 200 w/ ecu $500
tuning $400
clutch $300
slicks + wheels $500
skunk + kyb agx $550
b16 swap w/ axles $1800
thick cometic headgasket $200
quaife LSD $700
miscellaneous (3BAR, gauges) $150


Total: 7000. I think all of those prices are reasonable too. Sure, you do have to do your own labor but it can be done.

You could probably even do it without the LSD and have a $700 dollar buffer for breaking axles, other parts, or spending a little more on the car up front.

Edit: I'm not saying this works for anyone. Actually I'm saying the opposite, but I am completely confident I could bring someone like Jason Hunt a crx and say here is $7000 make it run 10's and he could do it. No, it wouldn't be an all out car with built motor and crazy paint, but it could be done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just curious did this run 10's??

 

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Just curious did this run 10's??</TD></TR></TABLE>

It was a hypothetical. I still think it is possible IF the right person is doing it and the right driver is behind the wheel.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trbob16a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I disagree. Something like this:

I got my 92 hatch cx for $300
garrett turbo 60-1 $600
intercooler plus piping $600
72lb injectors $400
hondata 200 w/ ecu $500
tuning $400
clutch $300
slicks + wheels $500
skunk + kyb agx $550
b16 swap w/ axles $1800
thick cometic headgasket $200
quaife LSD $700
miscellaneous (3BAR, gauges) $150


Total: 7000. I think all of those prices are reasonable too. Sure, you do have to do your own labor but it can be done.

You could probably even do it without the LSD and have a $700 dollar buffer for breaking axles, other parts, or spending a little more on the car up front.

Edit: I'm not saying this works for anyone. Actually I'm saying the opposite, but I am completely confident I could bring someone like Jason Hunt a crx and say here is $7000 make it run 10's and he could do it. No, it wouldn't be an all out car with built motor and crazy paint, but it could be done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

HAHAH. Keep dreaming man.

 

yeah why not, go ask jason how much money he has put into that motor and see what he says to you, iam sure youll come back with a different out look. 10s is hard man....

 

your correct, 10's is hard, however if you look for the right deals, do the labor yourself, and have already run 10's and truly understands what it takes(not just horsepower), you could do it for ALOT less than most of people think. especially if its a drag car. much much harder/expensive to do in a street car. maintenence, upkeep, and drivability are another story. just my opinion/experience.

easily for 10g's. easily.


Modified by jinxproof99 at 8:27 PM 7/3/2003