I asked someone this once and was told "no". But in re-reading the GCR, under 8.a. under Allowed Modifications (pg. 16 of the ITCS section) it reads:

Fenders and wheel openings shall remain unmodified. But then goes on to say, It is permitted to roll under or flatten any interior lip on the wheel opening for tire clearance, which I have already done. It talks about some other stuff relating to cars with plastic/composite fenders, and then the last sentence of the paragraph says, Non-metallic inner fender liners may be removed which I would like to do.

Am I missing something? I could have sworn someone told me I could roll the fender lip and then tuck the fender liner under the clips, but could not remove them.

thanks

 

AFAIK, you are correct - the plastic inner-liner may be removed.

 

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but you gotta say it in the ed mcmahon STL spoof voice

 

After one off track excursion or a rain event you will be wishing you didn't take those off. It gets so nasty up in the wheel well without them and they only weigh maybe a pound or two each. Not worth it IMHO.

 

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Bingo! I removed and discarded mine and regret the heck out of it...so much that I'm going to buy replacements! Handfulls of small rocks, track worms and other crap find their way into my engine compartment and get trapped between the rear of the fenders and the front door hinges. Additionally, I believe the liners help the turbulent air find its way out of the wheel wells and reduce drag. Not worth the 1.5 lbs in weight savings to me.

 

Glad I'm not the only oddball on this point. Leave 'em in.

K

 

Woah, interesting points fellas... ("you are CORRECT, sir!! lol")

I never thought about the debris getting up in there. Hmmmm... I wasn't wanting to do it for weight savings. Hell, I still have the rear windshield wiper, heater, head-lights (wait, can you remove headlights?) and other stuff that *could* be removed. I was more wanting to do it to gain a tad more clearence under the front wheels.

Speaking of which, I have -2.5 degrees of camber on the drivers side front, and -3.2 on the passenger side. My upright/hub on the passenger side has been replaced since I bent it last month going off track, which took it from like -6 to -3.2. My ground controls are set the same on each side, but now I'm wondering if the passenger side has always been a bit off from it being in a right side collision from before I bought it. I guess the solution is to just raise that side up a few turns on the Ground Control? Or should I care that one side has more negative camber? It sure handles well in left turns

 

I regret it.

Give myself one of these

 

those do help to smooth out the underside of the car also , with them removed theres a big a scoop at the trailing edge of the fender , plus it keeps **** clean...

leave em in.

 

thanks guys...

heh, once again HT keeps me from "learning the hard way"


Modified by uncleben at 12:50 PM 6/28/2003

 

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...and should note that you probably can't take it out under the IT rules, unless your car (as defined by the spec line in the ITCS) was offered without one.

Kirk

(Your friendly, helpful rules NERD)

 

I have removed the plastic liners on my cars before with no trouble but can't really recall the exact reason why (it wasn't to save 3 lbs total). I know the driver's side had to be out to allow me to run brake ducting from the front bumper cover holes and under the washer fluid bottle (that must be there). That is a convoluted travel path but I haven't found a legal way to run ducting down the radius arms while picking air up next to the radiator that a seems to be popular. People just look the other way is guess but I am pretty much a rule stickler so the rear wiper, heater core, and headlights must be there.

I have gotten tire snakes and pebbles up in the door hinges, etc. but that has not been an issue on a dedicated racecar. If you have a passenger side fender area mounted oild air intake, having some of that fender liner will reduce the pebbles in your cone filter but too much will choke off air air at least air escapes reducing the airflow in the filter area.

A case can be made for having and not having but I'd leave them in until you had a specific reason to remove them.

 

its hard to say whats going to be better or not. but the winning cars i have seen dont have em on. but i would recommend that you do as Lee says anyway and just cut as needed. it is kinda nice to have the back of the fender closed to prevent the rocks and worms piling up. ive sen others modify the liner just to accomodate that. at the top tho, i know itll rub against the liner, so just cut a bit up there as necessary i suppose.

but yeah, its definately legal and you shouldnt take any further advice from the person you asked.

 

Hmmm. The rule says you can "remove" the inner fender liner but says nothing about "modifying" it...

Kirk

 

:blort:

 

So ive got a 96 accord coupe (not stock at all) and i took my wheel well liners off the front, and i threw them out I moved to Chicago and it rains at the nearby tracks and i have a CAI!!! i dont wanna putt water in my engine. where can i find some liners.

 

^^^Junkyard

 

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K</TD></TR></TABLE>

Think of all the weight you collect with mud in the inner fender well

Probably more than 1.5lbs

Leave it in

 

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Kirk
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