i found a weird post on clubSi...
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i found a weird post on clubSi...
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Re: hytech manifolds Re: NV THIS SI
#2286152 - 04/19/03 12:32 PM Edit Reply Quote
A good manifold is definatly a must for a great turbo setup, but having one that spools up too quick can also be bad.
If you are running stock internals on low boost then having a car with a nice quick spool is essential, but if you are planning on building up your internals and running higher boost like in the 10-15 range (on pump gas respectivly) it will cause you problems with your quarter mile times.
A buddy of mine put a Full Race manifold on his turbo GSR and it cause him grief with all the problems he had with traction, the damn turbo (garret t3/4) turbo just spooled do damn fast, and was delivering power before he could catch traction.
He went from a 13 flat to a 13.7 by using the Full Race manifold. They are really great manifold but it's for racing applications on slicks where traction is less of a problem. On street tires a little lag is beneficial on a fwd car, like a Honda.
Unless you plan on funning slicks and launching like around 7k then I would stick with a manifold that will not spool up faster than you can catch traction.
Not trying to pursuade you to get a krappy manifold, just trying to add my .02 cents in so you don't wind up suffering.
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Soo i was just wondering if that "buddy" of his goes on honda-tech. Just curious who it was...
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Re: hytech manifolds Re: NV THIS SI
#2286152 - 04/19/03 12:32 PM Edit Reply Quote
A good manifold is definatly a must for a great turbo setup, but having one that spools up too quick can also be bad.
If you are running stock internals on low boost then having a car with a nice quick spool is essential, but if you are planning on building up your internals and running higher boost like in the 10-15 range (on pump gas respectivly) it will cause you problems with your quarter mile times.
A buddy of mine put a Full Race manifold on his turbo GSR and it cause him grief with all the problems he had with traction, the damn turbo (garret t3/4) turbo just spooled do damn fast, and was delivering power before he could catch traction.
He went from a 13 flat to a 13.7 by using the Full Race manifold. They are really great manifold but it's for racing applications on slicks where traction is less of a problem. On street tires a little lag is beneficial on a fwd car, like a Honda.
Unless you plan on funning slicks and launching like around 7k then I would stick with a manifold that will not spool up faster than you can catch traction.
Not trying to pursuade you to get a krappy manifold, just trying to add my .02 cents in so you don't wind up suffering.
Honda2NR
Soo i was just wondering if that "buddy" of his goes on honda-tech. Just curious who it was...
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (lazerus)
****, I need as fast of a spool as I can get, I DEFINETLY feel the lag when I'm autoXing, it drives me nuts. 
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (Mase)
why is everyone flaming this guy, am i missing something here?? all he said was that the new full race manifold caused the turbo to spool faster than before the addition of the manifold... and by spooling faster than before he is not able to gain traction and the car is breaking loose because it is making power earlier and faster.. this makes sense to me...
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (2lowintegra)
that post is a joke and i guarantee was created by a full-race hater!!! if the turbo spools to fast then get a larger back housing,better tires,or gear based boost control. dammit geoff, you need to have your manifolds flow less and create more lag for the guys at clubsi!!!
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (MotorMatrix.com)
make a club-si edition where you have a restrictor plate on the manifold... hah.
Yes i get the post, and get where he is coming from, but he is viewing the "problem" which in reality is a solution (or somewhat of a solution) to a problem - turbolag.
power coming on earlier means more power.
If he keeps spinning the tires, he needs to turn his boost down, or fix his traction issues.
it's as simple as that.
Yes i get the post, and get where he is coming from, but he is viewing the "problem" which in reality is a solution (or somewhat of a solution) to a problem - turbolag.
power coming on earlier means more power.
If he keeps spinning the tires, he needs to turn his boost down, or fix his traction issues.
it's as simple as that.
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (FFgeoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the damn turbo (garret t3/4) turbo just spooled do damn fast , and was delivering power before he could catch traction.
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Dammit! That's why I hate Full Race Manifolds..
It just sucks to have the turbo's spool up so fast and having the power delivered right there.
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Dammit! That's why I hate Full Race Manifolds..
It just sucks to have the turbo's spool up so fast and having the power delivered right there.
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (ekb18c)
hed be scared shitless in a big V8 or something. Its called TORQUE down low. Heh, I registered over there, but everytime I go over there I just laugh. They are all about the Comptechs and stuff.
I guess thats the reason this fast spool "Troubled" him....used to all the Comptech talk...
I guess thats the reason this fast spool "Troubled" him....used to all the Comptech talk...
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi...
He didnt have traction because he didn't have the right sized turbine.
People should take in account how the manifold will change spool.
the most efficient collector known to man + regular t3/t4 = grandma's minivan beating you when you're at wot
People should take in account how the manifold will change spool.
the most efficient collector known to man + regular t3/t4 = grandma's minivan beating you when you're at wot
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (ReVtecSi)
I definitely noticed a quicker spool with mine, that's for sure. 
Sounds like someone needs to learn how to drive
I'm looking forward to trying it out with the full-race side-fed intercooler, as soon as the $$$ becomes available
Sounds like someone needs to learn how to drive
I'm looking forward to trying it out with the full-race side-fed intercooler, as soon as the $$$ becomes available
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (Evo Hybrid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evo Hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe he should turn down the boost....
Hey Geoff, thanks again, my car's been running strong this season. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe he should learn how to drive
Hey Geoff, thanks again, my car's been running strong this season. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe he should learn how to drive
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (Evo Hybrid)
hell yeah bro i heard you went 11.2 @ 18 psi from Jeff! Congrats man, what are you using for slicks and fuel mgt? Good to hear man i cant wait for you to get the setup dialed.
stan i definately think you should try retrofitting a D series greddy to your B sereis (or maybe H ..) and then build an adaptor for the t76. Then you can use the lag to your advantage!
stan i definately think you should try retrofitting a D series greddy to your B sereis (or maybe H ..) and then build an adaptor for the t76. Then you can use the lag to your advantage!
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (boosted92)
Ricer excuse 28453.34x2 "you only beat me because my manifold spooled my turbo too fast and i couldn't get traction"
I bet if he buys some titanium muffler bearings he could hook up
I bet if he buys some titanium muffler bearings he could hook up
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (FFgeoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FFgeoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
stan i definately think you should try retrofitting a D series greddy to your B sereis (or maybe H ..) and then build an adaptor for the t76. Then you can use the lag to your advantage!</TD></TR></TABLE>
nah dude, I still think the B16 head on teh SR shortblock with your suggestion of the D series and T76 is the best bet ever...
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stan i definately think you should try retrofitting a D series greddy to your B sereis (or maybe H ..) and then build an adaptor for the t76. Then you can use the lag to your advantage!</TD></TR></TABLE>
nah dude, I still think the B16 head on teh SR shortblock with your suggestion of the D series and T76 is the best bet ever...
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Re: i found a weird post on clubSi... (lazerus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lazerus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">make a club-si edition where you have a restrictor plate on the manifold... hah.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahah good one
hahah good one