I'm about to build a block for boosting. I figured that I'd kind it cheap and keep the new internals stock size. I read a lot about people boring the block when they put their sleeves in. What's the advantage? Does it make that much of a difference? Is it even worth the extra money to do so?

 

think about this word for a while

Bulletproof.

 

bigger bore = less strain on the rods + rings

 

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think about this word for a while

Bulletproof.

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Ok, what's your point?

 

what should i bore my h22 out too? dont know too much about engine work, any help would be apreciated!!

 

You get sleeves and then bore and hone it to match your piston size. It's done to ensure proper fitment of the pistons. I have no idea how boring and honing relates to being bulletproof or how a bigger bore = less strain on the rods + rings.

I would stay stock size for or one mm over for turbo application. If you stay stock, and you are unlucky enougth to blow something and due some internal damage, you can just hone the sleeves. If you go too big however, you might not be able to just hone the sleeves. There won't be enough of the sleeve to hone or the walls will become too thin.

 

nothing is ever bullet-proof in the honda world. tuning is your best friend when it comes to trying to be as bullet-proof as possible.

it's highly recommended that you sleeve your block when using forged pistons. i won't get into it but you can do a search on that.

 

I'm building an H22 block. I will be sleeving it, and putting it forges pistons and rods. The sleeves are stock size. So are the rods and pistons that I want. But I here about putting boring the sleeves to create a large displacement so that can use oversized pistons. Does that really even matter if the overall application is to boost? Will there be that much of a power difference? And most importantly, is it worth the extra money

 

You are going to have to bore and hone anyway with most sleeves. So there is no extra money. If you were to buy over sized pistons you would still spend the same amount of money to bore and hone. As far as extra power, you probably will gain some power but I have no idea how much power. For boost, you should just stick with 87mm pistons. And as far as going bigger, read my post above.

 

who knows cadence calls????


"here we go again"

"same old **** again"

"marching down the avenue"

"will we ever get through to you?"

 

boring out an h22a will not give you the same results as saying boring a b series block to 84-84.5mm which i used to run. unbelievable torque.

stick with the stock bore because oversized h22a pistons are not readily available. there may be a waiting list or custom application may be needed. in this way, it may be a little more expensive.

 

Arias sells nothing but ovesized pistons. The smallest they have is 87.5 mm.

 

No extra money for boring and honing and keep it 88mm or under. You've heard the opinions, so it's up to you to decide.

 

my suggestions are simply GE sleeves, i wouldn't risk it another way, once the stock weak *** sleeves are bored out, you are just beggint for trouble

 

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"here we go again"

"same old **** again"

"marching down the avenue"

"will we ever get through to you?"</TD></TR></TABLE>

See, why cant you just type the answer to his question instead of singing a song. I fi knoew i'd tell him!

 

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See, why cant you just type the answer to his question instead of singing a song. I fi knoew i'd tell him! </TD></TR></TABLE>it could possibly be b/c i've answered this question a dozen times myself

 

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Yes, it costs extra to bore and hone. It's around $150 at most shop. Dayton Imports changes $150 extra and Golden Eagle charges $120 extra

 

Keep in mind that the search option in the forum is horrible. It only makes you search my thread title and not by contents of the thread.

 

search = FRM
4 results, one was 2 pages long

search = sleeves
15 results, one was 2 pages

search = sleeve
6 results

search = resleeve
4 results

search = cylinder
29 results

search = boring
3 results

search = forged
18 results, 2 were over 2 pages

 

actually, the search function on this site has always been horrible. so i'd agree on that one.

but really, $120-$150 or possibly even a little more for oversized bore is really pocket changed compared to the overall picture.

 

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Yes, it costs extra to bore and hone. It's around $150 at most shop. Dayton Imports changes $150 extra and Golden Eagle charges $120 extra</TD></TR></TABLE>

What I am saying is even if you go with stock size you will have to bore and hone. So no matter what you will have to bore and hone. Thus no price increase. Did you read what I wrote above? I have GE sleeves and kept stock sizes for internals. I still had to bore and hone.

 

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4 results, one was 2 pages long

search = sleeves
15 results, one was 2 pages

search = sleeve
6 results

search = resleeve
4 results

search = cylinder
29 results

search = boring
3 results

search = forged
18 results, 2 were over 2 pages</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yo, don't even play yourself. You know that the search engine here is not the greatest. If I searched and found the answer to my question, then I wouldn't be posting!

 

The sleeves themselves had to get bored or are you taking about the cylinders?

 

Sleeves.

 

not 100% certain but depending on the sleeves you don't always need them bored, just honed. some sleeve manufactures have oem spec bores. i believe golden eagle doesn't have this and all their blocks need to be bored/honed.

i believe there are a couple of manufactures of sleeves that already come in oem spec bores which would save some money, but not much at all.

but again, the bore really isn't the big factor here. we're talking pocket change if anything.


Modified by bgod at 3:02 PM 6/24/2003