i own a 01 ITR and my brother owns a 00 Celica GTS.. we never raced before but we just did one run last night for the hell of it and i lost about 3 cars.. it was a pretty short striaght away and had to shut it down as soon as we got into 4th..
I still dont know what a good rpm is to launch an ITR at.. back when i had my EG even though it was lighter then the ITR with the same motor i could hook up cleaner.. with my car now i either bog when i take off at lower rpm or spin too much tire.. the ITR is stock, full tank of gass, and my friend that weight about 170+.. celica had less then 1/4 tank, unbolted exhaust, no passanger, and sub box maybe 60lbs.. he launched at 4 and got a fat jump on me.. i droped the clutuch at 5.5 hoping it would grab good but it spun to redline by that time he had more then a car on me.. anyhow to point of this story is that i'm pretty sure that i could have take him out if i could launch a little better and didnt have the extra weight in the car. We only did it once since neither one of us wants to get busted and try to keep it off the streets.. p.s this was in a industrial area not a car around for miles so it was semi safe to those that want to flame this post of "street racing"
Give me your opinions..

 

Try a 4500 rpm lauch "feathering" the clutch and you'll walk all over that Celica. I've beaten quite a few GT-S's with ease. The ITR is the FASTER car. You just have to be the FASTER driver also, if you race cars with similar power to weight ratio's.
BTW, the "feathering" technique is murder on your clutch but very effective for winning drag races.

 

more straight line racing....... whatever.

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you need to learn how to drive your car! And by the way dont street race unless its in a construction zone!


Boba- who thinks this should be in kills forum.

 

Take him down to your local autocross. I think the results will be a little different. Celicas are cool cars, but they cant keep up with an R when turns are involved

 

kill forum anyone?

When you say "feathering the clutch", is this just letting it out slowly? "feathering" is what you do to the gas so the tires can hook up. When I think"feathering" I think of small repeated taps on the gas pedal. If you did that to your clutch I dont know what purpose that would serve.

 

its defintely feathering the gas pedal!

 

i did that all the time in my hatch and it worked great... i think i gotta practice launching in this car a bit.. i'm not used to it at all.. in either case i dont really care about loosing to him, i knew i was buying a slower car the day i picked up the R.. but the "no muffler" mod on the celica sound mean as fawk.. that car literally sound like an f1 at WOT passing by.. i drove his car with and without a muffler and i must say it hauls *** top end.

 

The R is not the slower car compared to a GT-S. We are lighter and have 15 more hp? how the **** is the ITR the slower car? or do you mean slower compared to the hatch?

 

sorry about posting in the wrong forum.. i just wanted some honest opinion as to why.. i'm pretty sure it was my driving and that i never had a chance to run this car before.. so maybe not used to it.. again.. it was a very deserted back alley of some construction/industrial area in torrance.. btw we couldnt reach that 180 mph! darn!

 

I think he meant riding the clutch. It's hard on the clutch but it gets you off the line quick.

 

My definition of "feathring" is on/off the gas between traction and wheelspin, just enough to get the car rolling and into vtec in 1st without hitting the rev limiter which would bog your car in 2nd gear. It's very effective for FWD drag racing, especially with vtec cars. Yet, not too many people do this, as most "street racers" leave the hole with their street tires blazing/bouncing off the rev limiter. One of the reasons I've got many, many FWD street victories under my belt. I took a stock R (fellow board members car) and punished Hybrids and other R's with it back-to-back at the illegals 2 weekends ago. It was the driver, not the car!

 

The ITR is faster, but the GTS is lighter, and they both dyno in the 160's stock. Close race, but the ITR should win.

 

I've heard so many ways of lauching our R when it comes time to launch the dam thing I can't think of which one to use. Some say dump at 4.5-5 and some say feather the clutch at 4.5 into vtec, me=confused

 

not true. locally, there's a GTS on race tires that won GS last time and came within a second of matching d. fauth's time (defending nat. GS champ ITR (in 'x' class)). dunno how he does it but his car is quick. also, there were a couple GTS's that made nationals last year.


[Modified by Speedy, 11:49 AM 7/20/2001]

 

I'm not saying the Celica is slow at autocross, I run against one every weekend. But put Fauth (or whoever) in both cars, and they will be faster in the Type R. The LSD and tighter suspension gives it the edge. My .02 anyways.

 

Yep, Speedy is correct. 99.9999999999999% of the time the arguement, of "I'll **** you in the twisties" is plain BS.

The Celica is a respectable car, and it's performance is close enough to ours that a good driver can make the difference.

 

Hey H-Pimp what do you mean it wasn't the car j/k

 

yes i ment slower comparing to ITR powered hatch. I would agree with all of the posts above that car in my opinion is just as good as the R.. of course both cars have its one pro's and con's but in general i think GTS is much more towards the luxury side.. but then again it has the performance side covered as well.

 

Ugghhh....that you don't know how to drive.

 

unless the GTS has a FAR superior drivetrain how can it dyno in the same ball bpark ar the R is it is down 15 peak HP? are you telling us the drivetrain on a GTS is 10% more effecient than an R's??? I seriouly doubt it, if anything I would guess the R's has a more eefecient drive train, I mena hell lets say the R average 165 base line thats a 84% effecient transfer to equal that the GTS would have to be 92% effecient, no way no how, not in a real world where frictional loses exist.

Dave...who thinks a 152-154whp number is more accurate for a GTS

 

The crank # that Toyota uses could be under rated. I have seen a stock 2000 GTS hit 165. Most R's are 160-165, but that same GTS ran a 15.0 at the track and gets beat routinley by other R's. Just stressing what I have seen with my own eyes.

 

We lose a bit more than they do because of our LSD. It's a good trade though, I'll take more traction in exchange for a few ponies any day.

 

Good point, I didn't think to take into account the LSD, I have yet to see a stock GTS break into 14's in the 1/4 they are gimiky cars, marketing pieces, a decent performer yes, but not the track car the R is, brakes and suspension are no comparison in stock form between the 2. But equal drivers I would say the R in a straight line all day long.

 

I think GTS stops 2 feet shorter than an ITR... it's lighter and have bigger (?) brakes than ITR does. However, that's just one time straight line stopping... I don't know how they would fare under track conditions over repeated use.