OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........
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OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........
i cant be the only one that is noticing the demand for a decent header in the F series application. when peoples' first move on a new header is cutting off the collector and welding on a 2.5" piece, this is grounds for making a change around here.
i for one would love more than anything for there to be support in the aftermarket of F series like there is for B/H series, but there just isnt.
im going to need input from you people on what you want from the header, low-mid range, more up top, function over fashion, etc. i want any type of feedback you can give me.
im going into this full-bore w/ a close friend and fabricator who builds turbo manifolds, turbo systems, roll cages, the works. he wanted to build one for my race car about 6 months ago but i just brushed it off and said, "eh maybe later." well, this IS later and the time is NOW. i want a good header damnit, lol.
c'mon people shoot me some input, i already have lots of ideas on my own but i like feedback.
thanks!
C. Smith
Louisville, KY
Fastest All Motor F22 in the country.
i for one would love more than anything for there to be support in the aftermarket of F series like there is for B/H series, but there just isnt.
im going to need input from you people on what you want from the header, low-mid range, more up top, function over fashion, etc. i want any type of feedback you can give me.
im going into this full-bore w/ a close friend and fabricator who builds turbo manifolds, turbo systems, roll cages, the works. he wanted to build one for my race car about 6 months ago but i just brushed it off and said, "eh maybe later." well, this IS later and the time is NOW. i want a good header damnit, lol.
c'mon people shoot me some input, i already have lots of ideas on my own but i like feedback.
thanks!
C. Smith
Louisville, KY
Fastest All Motor F22 in the country.
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well depends. some guys may want top end.. while , others with Nitrious or other forms, are looking for low end? or vice versa
then again, track guys need low end....
good luck
kamikaze is the only one with a 2.5 collector i know of
then again, track guys need low end....
good luck
kamikaze is the only one with a 2.5 collector i know of
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kamikaze uses 14 guage metal(which is good) but it makes the overall diamter of the piping look bigger than it actually is. the inside diamter is not 2.5" on the collector.
a 4 to 1 design and a 4-2-1 design will both be made, tested, and tested some more against all the top header manufactures of F series motors.
IMO, the kamikaze design is absolute junk and looks like a DC w/ a downpipe. similar in design to a stock D15 "header" lol.
a 4 to 1 design and a 4-2-1 design will both be made, tested, and tested some more against all the top header manufactures of F series motors.
IMO, the kamikaze design is absolute junk and looks like a DC w/ a downpipe. similar in design to a stock D15 "header" lol.
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Re: (KTeller8)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KTeller8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well depends. some guys may want top end.. while , others with Nitrious or other forms, are looking for low end? or vice versa
then again, track guys need low end....
good luck
kamikaze is the only one with a 2.5 collector i know of</TD></TR></TABLE>
Fully agreed and im running boost... and buy the way compaired to a stock manifold all headers are junk.. if you are talking about the amount of metal and lifetime value...
If you are looking for mad power out of a header you are looking in the wrong place you would think the multi billion dolla companies might have some pull on a kid who owns a f22 and wants a nice header! ha haha...
whatever.
then again, track guys need low end....
good luck
kamikaze is the only one with a 2.5 collector i know of</TD></TR></TABLE>
Fully agreed and im running boost... and buy the way compaired to a stock manifold all headers are junk.. if you are talking about the amount of metal and lifetime value...
If you are looking for mad power out of a header you are looking in the wrong place you would think the multi billion dolla companies might have some pull on a kid who owns a f22 and wants a nice header! ha haha...
whatever.
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Re: (KTeller8)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KTeller8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well remember in terms of diameter:
All exhaust are measured OD and i am sure all headers are the same
so 14 guage would be .14, so on a 2.5" system thats: really
2.22"</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know where a person can get a f22 header built with the biggest primaries as they want.... here localy! where they build 6,600 hp dragsters.. I know a few peeps who have had a custom header built.... with 2.5" primaries..... the build headers with 4" primairies... but if you want this custom fabbed header its costs 600 bucks... but hey... lets try to build our own!
right...
ha ha if you really want it you pay for it... Its out there..
All exhaust are measured OD and i am sure all headers are the same
so 14 guage would be .14, so on a 2.5" system thats: really
2.22"</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know where a person can get a f22 header built with the biggest primaries as they want.... here localy! where they build 6,600 hp dragsters.. I know a few peeps who have had a custom header built.... with 2.5" primaries..... the build headers with 4" primairies... but if you want this custom fabbed header its costs 600 bucks... but hey... lets try to build our own!
right...ha ha if you really want it you pay for it...
Its out there..
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SMS Products is going to build one for my F-series
there is a lot to building a header, clearance issues, flow issues, heat issues, piping sizes, etc.
Dave at SMSP spent some time over the past weekend explainign to me how he builds his headers and how it all works
there is a lot to building a header, clearance issues, flow issues, heat issues, piping sizes, etc.
Dave at SMSP spent some time over the past weekend explainign to me how he builds his headers and how it all works
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
my $0.02
What I want?
function over fashion - function is beautiful
low to mid range torque.
possibly stepped diameter primaries.
jet coated or something like that, basically some sort of heat coating.
F23 applications.
What I don't want.
having to give up my A/C or P/S.
an obscene price.
What I want?
function over fashion - function is beautiful
low to mid range torque.
possibly stepped diameter primaries.
jet coated or something like that, basically some sort of heat coating.
F23 applications.
What I don't want.
having to give up my A/C or P/S.
an obscene price.
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
ok, so good so far.
lets get this straght though, the header wont be anywhere near the price of an SMSP product.
we all know materials arent that expensive depending on what type of material used.
we arent doing this to start a revolution or make boat loads of money. i just want a good affordable header that is actually going to make power in an F series application.
keep 'em coming.....
lets get this straght though, the header wont be anywhere near the price of an SMSP product.
we all know materials arent that expensive depending on what type of material used.
we arent doing this to start a revolution or make boat loads of money. i just want a good affordable header that is actually going to make power in an F series application.
keep 'em coming.....
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
yes the SMSP header with stainless steel and merge collectors would be exspensive, but you pay a little for quality
with dump collectors and mild steel the cost would be half but gains, still good, but not as great
but I am not going to solicit SMSP headers in another mans thread
will there be dyno tuning involved and prototype testing beforehand, or are you guys going to utilize an already established layout?
with dump collectors and mild steel the cost would be half but gains, still good, but not as great
but I am not going to solicit SMSP headers in another mans thread
will there be dyno tuning involved and prototype testing beforehand, or are you guys going to utilize an already established layout?
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
stainless doesnt produce gains, its the design of the header that produces gains. merge collectors arent that hard to make and we plan on fabbing our own. this will be a totally custom piece(s) w/ prototype after prototype being tested back to back.
a full day, maybe 2 days of dyno are planned to test everything, i.e., DC unmodified, DC modified, 4 to 1, 4 2 1, tri Y, stepped/non stepped, basically the works.
like i said before, its not about money, its about performance @ an affordable price.
a full day, maybe 2 days of dyno are planned to test everything, i.e., DC unmodified, DC modified, 4 to 1, 4 2 1, tri Y, stepped/non stepped, basically the works.
like i said before, its not about money, its about performance @ an affordable price.
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
cool, that will cut cost if you can make the merge collectors yourself because that is one of the biggest material costs
stainless steeel does offer benifits over mild steel, the main being the fact that it retains heat a whole lot better than the steel
stainless steeel does offer benifits over mild steel, the main being the fact that it retains heat a whole lot better than the steel
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
you are correct sir, and thats why the mild steel header will be offerd w/ an optional jet hot coat.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Taiyed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty please say you'll be making something for us lowly NON-VTEC boys too...just cuz we don't want to make 300 HP doesn't mean we don't want a header option besides DC...</TD></TR></TABLE>
hey, my car is non vtec....F series means all F series motors.....take care.
hey, my car is non vtec....F series means all F series motors.....take care.
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Re: OK, we are going to design/fabricate a good N/A header for F series people........ (kentucky acc
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jweller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my $0.02
What I want?
function over fashion - function is beautiful
low to mid range torque.
possibly stepped diameter primaries.
jet coated or something like that, basically some sort of heat coating.
F23 applications.
What I don't want.
having to give up my A/C or P/S.
an obscene price.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ditto
What I want?
function over fashion - function is beautiful
low to mid range torque.
possibly stepped diameter primaries.
jet coated or something like that, basically some sort of heat coating.
F23 applications.
What I don't want.
having to give up my A/C or P/S.
an obscene price.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ditto
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Re: (Taiyed)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Taiyed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">which motor are you running? I can't tell by the pics...</TD></TR></TABLE>
original f22 non vtec from '91.
original f22 non vtec from '91.
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You could fight about this all day, but i say you should go for low end torque since thats kind of a f series strong point (when compared to the b series). Work with what you've got.
If the price is right, and there are gains. I'd take one
If the price is right, and there are gains. I'd take one
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Personally I'd like to see more top end gains. My accord has plenty to get it out of the low RPMs but hesitates to climb close to redline. I'd like a header that gives over-all gains but mainly power across the top end RPMs. Also something that would be good to use with maybe a custom cam.