Naming Chris Shenefield in his new 1988 Civic hybrid. Killing his older car by about 2 seconds! Sheesh! I think I might bow out this year

 

i'm confused..... define "hybrid"

typical honda hybrids are not legal in STS

 

I believe its an 88-91 DX with an 88-91 Si motor which would be legal under the SP update/backdate rules.

Mike

 

yup, looks like the 'fuzzy civic' is doing well. its an 88 or 89 standard (lightest ef chassis) with preped Si d16a6. i want to build one but i think that wont be legal next year...
jason tipple (the originator of this ef thing) is doing well in csp!!

 

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Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

ahh.... good call. that's gotta be it

 

Clarification: Tad K. co-drove with Chris in the transplant. I believe they may run the real Si to find out exactly how much the 80lb difference is. I talked to them both at the event.

The real news was CSP. STS alumni Tipple spanked some rather notable competition.

 

Chris's car is an 88 dx model.

Man you are not kidding Jason did well. Taking out Steve/Stacey and Tim/Rod. That is impressive.

 

The course conditions were not completely ideal, and rain was a small factor on day 2 for heats 4 and 5. Also, the course was still somewhat dusty (concrete dust). Some guys were hooking up, and others were not.

The difference in grip between Toledo and Peru is quite substantial. With that said, I don't think I'm going to use Toledo as a warmup for nats this year (cendiv event 1 week before nats) unless they run on the older concrete.

As soon as Chris gets his motor problems figured out, that car is going to be super-fast in STS.

 

Eric, I believe Chris's car is a 88 "standard"...the dx still had some options. The standard was available with the 4 speed and was THE lightest.

 

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Yep. Chris still has the 4-speed shift **** on the car, lol.

STD has vinyl seats, no center console, not as much sound deadening, etc. Chris certainly picked the lightest one and lightest year.

 

yea, it is a std. and the 88 or 89 is lighter than the 91. less door impact chit and piller seat belts

 

that car was weighed at the petersburg pro and tipped the scales at 2050lbs or so. (give or take 10lbs)

as for the surface we raced on, talk about a big *** surprise for me. the smoothness was nice, but i hadn't the foggiest idea on how to get my car to turn on a surface with that much grip. day 1 found me driving a mud shoveling pig of a car that wouldn't turn for anything. after making some serious chassis changes on sat. afternoon i got the car to work a little better for sunday, but still not good enough. chris' new car is fast as hell, but my showing was far from my car's potential. one more chapter in the learning curve.

nate

 

Nate, Shenefield's car was 2000 EVEN at Petersburg. It was a little "too" low on fuel, and didn't have a front sway bar.

 

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Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

So what your saying is I can put a 99 Civic Si B16A in my 96 DX and still be in STS???

 

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So what your saying is I can put a 99 Civic Si B16A in my 96 DX and still be in STS??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope. I believe it must be model specific.

 

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Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

Humm what I find is that the motor chris lists on his page is a D16A1. That motor pumps out 113hp @ 6200rpms, it also comes up as the motor for the 88-91 Honda CRX. The motor listed for the 88-91 Civic Si hatch back is the D16A6 which makes 108 @ 6000 rpm. A CRX isn't a Civic so would that disallow this swap to happen and put this car into SM??

==&gt; http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com/ChrisTech.htm

I'm sure Chris did his homework on OEM hatch Honda motors but I hope he brings these facts with him in the event someone might protest this "hybrid" hatchy as illegel for STS.

 

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Nope. I believe it must be model specific. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Okay so then I must be able to put in a SOHC VTEC D16Y8 96-00 Civic EX motor into my 96 non-VTEC 96 Civic DX right??? And if his motor is from a CRX which is a Civic product then a 96 Del Sol Civic is optional for me then right??

 

Actually what Chris found was that according to the update/backdate the 1988 Civic DX was on the same Street Prepared line as the 1989-1991 Civic Si. So you are allowed to swap everything from the Civic Si to the DX because they are ON the same lines.

The 99-00 Civic Si (DSP) and the 99-00 Civic Ex (FSP) are not.

 

Well I bet he hopes that doesn't change for 2004.

 

yup. i actually spoke with chris as well as some others about this. all the ef chassis cars are on the ame sp line. which is why he has the d16 from crx in std hatch. the differance is just in the head if i remember correctly...which is peobably why the other car was so darn fast...

 

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Well the dusty conditions screwed me in DS. We ran in the 1st run group and never had great grip, but it did improve significantly on every run. Times dropped about a second every run of the heat, probably would have been even more had we run with a class other than STS.

I got a stupid cone on my third run of day 1, 2nd cone of the slalom after right out of the start. Felt the drivers rear tire clip it and watched it fly in the ear from the side view mirror.

If not for that I would have had about .4 seconds lead after the first day. I was only able to make up ~.3 on day 2.

That said day 2 was fun as hell, even though the course was extremely short for a National Tour (High 30secs). We ran basically the same line as the previous day just backwards, so we did not experience the everchanging grip problems. Needless to say the car felt hooked up.



Shawn

 

That rocks. I was under the impression you couldn't do update/backdate and stay in STS. Maybe time to buy a rule book. Looking for a hatch myself, but have been limiting myself to the Si. Clean DX's and standards are a dime a dozen around here.

 

It is a std model and it does have the si engine in it. I kind of help with the swap, his new setup is sick to say the least bite. I"m still trying to catch him and I have a b16a in my hatch.

 

Oops that is what I meant, not the dx. I know in Petersburg it weighed in at 2000 lbs even. It still could loose a little weight from what I understand as well.

It is only going to get faster. Going to be tough to beat this season.

 

I drove Chris' 1989 Civic Si and that thing was a go-kart. I can't image his newer car and what it must drive like